[QUOTE=steer]1. I have never seen a game that had entertaing cinema the whole way through. I am a big anti fan of game cinema. Cinema, good or bad, interupts gameplay. Splicing a movie like, say, Dirty Harry, with gaming segments (keeping the origional film) would disrupt and ruin the movie. Game cinema is held in VERY low esteem by film critics, because it deserves it. I am not sure the game film industry has bested the pronography industry in terms of quality. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, well I have seen a game that had entertaining cinema all the way through. I am not sure how film to game translations fit into this though, since those films are rarely made by a game developer. But since you brought it up, I am convinced that games can tell a better story in more intricate detail. Stories in games can be more complex than can be told in a movie, and much of the story can easily tie into gameplay. The stories of Silent Hill and Silent Hill 2 are extremely interesting and very deep, deeper than I've ever seen properly told in any film.
BTW, your last quip about pornography shows your "biased" side, not your "thinking" side (assuming you have one). While movie versions of games like Silent Hill might not have been typical movie fodder, I can't think of a single porn film that is better made.
[QUOTE=steer]2. Many games that are labeled mature are often sophmoric. I really cannot see how this can be disputed.[/QUOTE]
"Many" movies that are labeled as mature are often sophmoric. "Many" books that are labeled mature are often sophomoric. But many other games in all three genres are also labeled mature and are NOT sophomoric. The problem with you is that you speak in sweeping generalizations, especially where the gaming industry is concerned.
[QUOTE=steer]3. Loading a game with gratuitous swearing or violence does not 'make it for adults' as many game reviewers claim.[/QUOTE]
The term "adult" is used in those cases to mean "something children shouldn't be playing", not "something that all adults will love". When you misuse words like that, or try to play word games with common phrases that have clear meanings, it makes you appear as very disingenuous.
[QUOTE=steer]4. The game industries targeted demographic, in general is teenage boys, or teenage boys + college kids + under 30 males. And they are catered and pandered to. Now that is not neccesarily bad, but agian, the steryotpes that are perpetuated ARE of the fratboy variety.[/QUOTE]
One set are. But not every game, even in the "mature" realm, caters to that demographic. Again, you make sweeping generalizations and then start handing out your imaginary citations.
[QUOTE=steer]5. Have you ever seen the VGAwards on Spike TV? I rest my case. Jack Black in whitie tighties pepring to have sex with a PS3 and an XBOX 360 - who is that aimed at Mozart? Give me a break.[/QUOTE]
Oh give me a break! You pick out an awards show and try to use that as "rest my case" proof of something? The entire industry isn't made up of customers having sex from chandeliers.
I know mostly fans of the 360, not the Wii, and not one of them is some kind of immoral person who is ready to win a Darwin award by sticking their member into a running console.
[QUOTE=steer]6. Look at Mariot Guy's 'Madden Nation topic - go watch that - I rest my case.[/QUOTE]
I intend to watch it, but I doubt it will "rest your case" either. As Atarifever pointed out, that's fiction.
[QUOTE=steer]7. The 'number' of hardcore gamers? I would like to know what it is, but I believe it to be fairly small. I mean, EGM died with 600,000 subscribers, reportedly. So if Mature games- the 'Hardcore' staple- are only for '18 and up', how many 'Hardcore Gamers' would the industry loose if Minors were not counted in that number? Minors are UNDOUBTEDLY targeted and catered for 'Mature' games..[/QUOTE]
And now I wonder what you are getting at. It seems that once again you've made a case against some content you object to and then conflated that with "hardcore gamers". Are you really living in such a one-dimensional world?
[QUOTE=steer]8. Ask some posters here about their experiences on XBOX live. We have had some very amusing topics here about that.[/QUOTE]
I've been on XBOX Live for many years. I've had almost no bad experiences. In fact, it's been an excellent place to play games with friends.
You paint the whole Live experience as one thing because you've written it off in that absurd simplistic way you usually do, and doing that writing off bit is very convenient for you -- a replacement for "thinking" or testing the waters on your own. XBOX Live is many things to many people.
[QUOTE=steer]9. Games are ROUTINLY hyoped for being counterculture/violent. That is the most important factor to having a game hyped.[/QUOTE]
Once again you generalize. Games are routinely hyped for many reasons. Violent games are among them. Violence is not a requirement.
[QUOTE=steer]10 Many many mamny people are sick to their stoimch by the success of the Wii, because they are not being catered to by Nintendo. Their insercurity, instead of apathy, say, is very telling.[/QUOTE]
As is yours
You see, from where I sit, you don't seem any different than the average system warrior. Your threat is only from all these other non-Wii games you don't "get". Your endless harping on an industry that you don't think really "caters" to you is very telling!
[QUOTE=steer]So no, I am not writing of entire games and platforms...I am just saying that the fratboy steryotype is perpetuated and catered to by most of the game media and by several game makers. Game quality may or may not be an issue, that would be a case by case.[/QUOTE]
... and you wouldn't have it any other way. I mean, what would you talk about?
[QUOTE=steer]I dont know why I have to be the boogie man.[/QUOTE]
Me either. You can stop being at any time.
[QUOTE=steer]Why would he go that route, unprompted? Obviously he is concerned about game violence as well, he defines himself against it. Clearly he is not going to rush out and buy GTA DS when it launches...[/QUOTE]
Who cares? He's one game developer out of hundreds. That doesn't make his concerns mine, nor does it make his concerns ... valid.
[QUOTE=steer]You dont have to like it,[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is right. I don't have to like it.
[QUOTE=steer]but I am sick of ppl expecting me to apologize or be ashamed of having values. I am not telling what you to do or play, just staing my opinon on a discussion forum.[/QUOTE]
You've come out on this forum before calling for some sort of instrusion into the industry to determine what kind of games are made, even for adults. If it were just your values, it wouldn't be a big deal. You want them put on everyone else, without their consent. You want an implementation of those values. That's more than just stating your opinion. Are you saying that your perspective on that has changed?
Have at your opinion. Don't expect not to be challenged about it. Part of "expressing your opinion on a forum" includes having others express their opinion of your opinion.