No problem on the "kudos" for your gaming recommendations. Most of my purchases are based on the recommendations of the VGC and posters on this forum.
I'm beginning to agree with you that this forum is not the ideal place to discuss this subject matter. But suffice it to say that I can see how an average person might agree with your points, I still think it's greatly lacking some judgement.[/quote]
I'm certainly interested in hearing where my points are lacking. Writing is definitely not my strong point. I hope everyone in the forum can see how this is very relevant to the gaming industry in addition to the economy in general.
This was probably meant to be insulting, but I don't take offense to the fact that I am "obviously American." I live in the country that comes closest to a free market society (despite rampant restrictions) and I am making plans to open my own small medical business. As such, Americans in general know potentially more than the average citizen of any other society.[/quote]
This was not meant to be insulting in any way; I was just pointing out that after hundreds of hours of online discussions, Americans generally tend to have tunnel vision about alternative economic models and what 'communism' and 'socialism' are. I simply see this argument over and over again from Americans and only from Americans, almost like it's a programmed response. That's why I said I'm 100% certain of you being from the USA. Again, not an insult, just an observation.
[quote] How could a person living under communist China or socialist Sweden know the "every-day" of free market if they don't experience it? If you actually have real world experience with the free market, it's probably through the United States, anyway, and even that isn't a true free market. Anything less is so restricted by regulation that it can barely qualify.[/quote]
I'm not going to comment further because this is not a political forum but again, I've heard this exact statement said a hundred times before and it's a very black and white way of viewing things and not at all how the world really works. I thought the same thing until I actually saw other systems (especially the American one) for myself.
Your example seems to make sense until you realize that you are talking about one specific scenario, not to mention one that hasn't happen and is highly unlikely to ever happen. Corporations have to make decisions based on appeal to consumers. They HAVE to. They are bound by it.[/quote]
No, they don't. Corporations (which are government created entities, not agents of free enterprise) are legally mandated to pursue profit for shareholders above all else. They are not in the business of appealing to consumers although usually (but not always) the best way to do that is by making consumers happy.
[quote] If there truly was mass appeal for AO games like you are suggesting, one of the Big 3 would have started it years ago. You think there's mass appeal there, but there isn't a big enough trade-off. Consumers would be so turned-off at the prospect of pornographic video games, that many consumers would never purchase hardware or software from that company again. I'm in that category. I'd never let my kids play a Microsoft game again if they were pumping out AO games left and right; I'd be afraid of what they would let slip into even their regular M games. And, as you so graciously pointed out, I live in one of the two largest demographics for video game purchase. It could potentially ruin a company and they go out of business.[/quote]
I know that my examples are taken to a laughable extreme, but my point from before still stands. One thing to keep in mind: you seem to believe in the magic of the marketplace but what about my car insurance? Even with a perfect 10 year driving record, I still pay $1200 a year solely because of something I have no control over (gender). There are plenty of insurance companies here but they all have the same policies and roughly the same rates even without government meddling (although insurance is far from an ideal free market). According to free market theory, companies should be tripping over each other to give me a better deal. Why wouldn't just one lower their rate to attract low risk, high profit drivers like me? Since I have to drive for work, it's not really much of a choice even in a free market. I found out the answer to that question and it was far from a pleasant realization.
[quote] A government would NEVER go out of business for any single piece of legislation. Additionally, they don't have to think about alienating or disenfranchising a consumer. That consumer has to pay taxes (the equivalent of revenue from sales for a corporation) no matter what. You can't pick and choose what product (outcome of taxes) you pay. If I don't want to pay taxes to bail out GM, so what? If I miss that payment, I go to jail. If I stop purchasing Nintendo games and enough people follow my lead, Nintendo's stock goes into a tailspin and they either recover by trying to appeal to consumer's NEW whims or they perish. That you can't see this is puzzling. And that you compare the power of a corporation to the power of a government (even a "small" example like the power of censorship) is without reason. A government is never required to appeal to the masses (see - United States legislation, recent history of) but for a corporation, it could be a death kneel to ignore its customers.[/quote]
It would go too far off the mandate of this forum to give a lengthy reply but let me point out you have again completely missed the point of what I was trying to say. Free markets are as plentiful as unicorns and the real world works a lot differently than your textbook example. Let me just say I was aggressively pursuing a job in marketing for a while and got to see how free our choices really are.
[quote] Lastly, you suggest that if ALL video game publishers decided to effectively "ban" AO video games by not publishing them it would be the same as governmental restriction. Again, this makes sense until you put it into perspective. If there is absolutely NO interest in AO games, then yes, restriction would seem similar whether or not it came from the Big 3 or a specific government. But, if there was a large enough appeal, one of those companies would realize they are losing money and create an outlet for them.[/quote]
That is an assumption that is not always accurate. Again, a few years ago I would have agreed with you but a few radicalizing experiences I had at a previous job showed me the 'invisible hand' doesn't always exist. Apologizes for being so vague but it's not something I can spell out in such a small space like this forum.
[quote]In the real world, Sega did this in the late 80's. Nintendo of America had a strict "no violence, no religious imagery" stance at that time, but Sega did not. Thus, Sega became the cool, mature gaming company, while Nintendo was more of a family market. Governments don't have to think about such things. They just ban something and the discussion's over. Honestly, I don't see how you can't comprehend this point. The bottom line is, in a truly "free" society, if there are enough that demand a product, a company will provide a service. A government with enough power, however, will restrict and require as it sees fit and NOT as the citizen sees fit.[/quote]
Please see above. Again, sorry I can't go into more detail but it would stray too far away from the topic at hand.
[quote]We do have some common ground on large corporations having "more" freedom than the average citizen, but we would probably differ on where that excess freedom is coming from. Once again, it's from the government. I take a more libertarian stance - I want a flat tax rate and a level playing field. Unfortunately, through legislation certain corporations have been getting around that (subsidies, unfair regulation of opposition, etc).[/quote]
On the surface I agree with you but without getting into too much detail, the very concept of a corporation in the first place IS an unfair playing field.
I appreciate your points and opposing view on this. Thanks, man. Have a good day. I've stayed far away from Final Fantasy VII because of your past suggestions!
I always appreciate an opposing view. I hope you didn't take anything I said personally but I would like to think you can appreciate it's not a black and white issue.... well, except for Final Fantasy VII being the most overrated game of all time!