Re: Star wars the last jedi spoilers ahead.
Posted: November 8th, 2018, 2:29 pm
DaHeckIzDat wrote: Seriously? You're actually going to make me repeat everything I've already said earlier in the thread? *sigh* Fine, but let's address your first issue first. No, the speeder was not going slow. Look at any of the shots of it, and it's going pretty dang fast. Maybe there was SOME push back, but if you actually watch the movie you know that it wasn't anywhere close to enough to stop the speeder. And he was, what, twenty feet away when he crashed? Yeah, clearly the last two seconds it would have taken him to get there were the MAGICAL two seconds that would make the entire rest of his ship disappear.
How would it NOT take out the weapon? Imagine driving a truck into a jet turbine. Doesn't matter how big the turbine is or how slow the truck's going, both of them are still going to go boom.
By that logic, the Falcon blew up long ago, and Endor suffered a forest fire. The rebels can also take out any empire ship with their long distance AI guided missiles.
1. Why did shields stop existing in your fanfiction?
2. Why are you arguing for our physics vs. theirs? If you're going to crash into things in Star Wars, you need to be either going really fast, or hitting a weak spot. And sometimes going really fast won't do a thing, as the speeder bikes of Endor demonstrated.
3. Do you do this for all action/fantasy movies, or is this a special service? Because you're looking at an entire genre of absurd physics. Do you think you're the first to question them, or that they objectively make a movie bad?
DaHeckIzDat wrote: Now, for the objectively bad writing (again)...
1. "Your mom" jokes right off the bat.
Which was played as desperation for a brief moment against a bastard child who overreacts to being reminded. Do you think real life Neo Nazis don't react this way? Because there's a world of evidence to the contrary. This isn't a plot hole - it's you underestimating a dangerous enemy, because they're easy to mock.
You should look up how that usually works out.
DaHeckIzDat wrote: 2. Rose. Literally everything about Rose. Take every scene she's in out of the movie, and what do you lose?
Finn thinking about the larger picture. You also lose a valuable lesson about how dangerous the wild plans of the original trilogy really were. If you're going to have a longer series, the odds aren't always going to work out in the hero's favor. Again, your objectively bad writing amounts to subjective complaints, and taking yourself way too seriously. You're also ignoring historical records of real life failure, many of which amount to trusting the wrong people and ignoring local customs.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:What reason did Holdo have to not explain her plan?
The one she magicked up within minutes of taking charge of a bad situation? Tell me, when you're the leader of a desperate band, and you need to worry about deserters, how will you handle someone putting you on the spot the way Poe did?
Especially if you weren't prepared for the possibility by armchair quarterbacking this movie?
What do you think it means, when your leaders tell you to have hope when it seems like there isn't any?
Later, when she finally did have a plan, how did Poe handle it? Tell me why she has to be better than he is, when they're just war heroes without formal officer training? Explain why you think that lack of training won't come back to bite the rebels in the butt?
This is why they need Leia. And Mon Mothma. And everyone else previous used as set decoration while the heroes are off blowing up superweapons.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:And what was her ultimate plan? To run to a barren planet, hole up inside a fort with only one exit and just wait to die. Stupid, stupid, stupid!
It was to find a safe place to lay low, and call reinforcements. Poe ruined that chance. So why are you taking his side again?
DaHeckIzDat wrote:This is the guy who refused to kill the worst mass murderer the galaxy has ever known because
He looked at his hand, and realized he was falling to the darkside. After nearly killing him in order to defend others. In the real world, those instincts won't go away. Star Wars has always prioritized psychology over physics, and there's no reason for them to stop now.
DaHeckIzDat wrote: 5. Leia suddenly getting Force powers. Yes, it was hinted at that she was Force sensitive before, but you can't go from hints some thing like to "survives an explosion plus several minutes of floating in space, and then Mary Poppins-ing her way back to the ship."
She did a weak force pull. And you're questioning her surviving in a space that carries sound, and freezes her without anything for her to transfer her body heat into? A space that allowed her to hang out in a giant space worm's gut without a pressurized suit? You realize that this is supposed to be based on space pulp logic, don't you?
DaHeckIzDat wrote:Why the hell did Luke leave a map to himself if he never wanted to be found?
He didn't. The map's to where they expected to find him. Look it up - you're objectively wrong.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:Let's talk about Snoke. Who was he? How did he come to be so powerful? Where and how did he found the first order?
He's better as a mystery. Those aren't the same as plot holes, no matter how excited you are for them to film an adaptation of Wookiepedia.
Secondly, he's a clear copy of Palpetine. I'm glad we can agree on that. He performed his job, so the story moves on without him, after a demonstration of how the darkside teacher/student relationship works. And why it doesn't pay to abuse those underneath you, no matter how powerful you are.
This isn't a videogame. He's not promised a boss fight. Kylo Ren is showing the rise of a new villain, and that's where the real story is.
DaHeckIzDat wrote: Kylo killing him changed nothing, it just made things go back to the way they were before. Bad, lazy writing.
Nothing changes now that the apprentice must keep the reigns of power? You either don't have much imagination, or didn't really think this through. All of this was to build Kylo Ren into the character we'll meet in the 3rd movie.
Only then, will we know whether this subversion of the hero's journey was worth the trip.
DaHeckIzDat wrote: Btw, if Snoke was so uber mega powerful that he can read Kylo's mind, how is it possible that he didn't know Kylo was about to kill him?
You can't think cover thoughts, and control your emotions? Tell me, why didn't the Emperor see Anakin was about to kill him?
DaHeckIzDat wrote: 9. Luke hologram-ing himself to the final battle... because that's what we all want to see. The big, legendary hero PRETENDING to fight, and then dying anyway. What did he accomplish? Buying people some time?
He demonstrated how powerless military might is against an idea. Against a story. As many other nonviolent resisters have done, successfully, throughout all of recorded history. You wanted him to express the ideals of Christ? The ideals of the Jedi, that they never actually achieved?
This was it. The truest light side victory in the entire franchise. He brought hope to the galaxy.
Something that wouldn't happen if he tried to Gary Stu his way past that many weapons and a dark side user. This isn't "The Force Unleashed." Jedi can and will die quickly if they underestimate the enemy.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:90% of the resistance is dead.Half of it is Holdo's fault, and the other half is Rose's.
Poe's fault. C'mon. You can say it. Poe's the one who got them all killed. His reckless leadership exposed them all.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:Rey is a Mary Sue. She learns complicated Jedi tricks without any training
Like Luke mastering lightsaber duels and force choke? Or like Anakin winning a podrace? Show me where you need to be trained by an organized religion before you can demonstrate any force powers? Begin with "But Luke!" and end with "But Luke!", and ignore the part where he was the worst student Obi Wan and Yoda had ever seen.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:is more powerful than Luke by the end of the second movie
Because she doesn't whine like a 4 year old about lifting things, or because she was disarmed in seconds by him, before he refused to get into a lightsaber duel with her?
DaHeckIzDat wrote:never struggles with anything,
Nope, she just gives into her flight or fight instincts without any struggle at all. And she keeps trusting everyone who abandons or uses her. She's every parole officer's reason for going to work in the morning.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:is immediately let into everyone's inner circles despite barely knowing her,
You may have noticed that things are pretty relaxed without the Jedi counsel around. Everybody's like "Join us!" Just curious - how did you justify Lando leading the attack on the Death Star after betraying the rebels?
DaHeckIzDat wrote: knows more about the Falcon than Han does after being on it a total of five minutes
Her boss owned it. And it's been a running gag that Han doesn't know anything about the ship. Watch Empire. Looks like you're objectively wrong, again.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:and is always right and morally superior to everyone around her.
Already mocked that nonsense earlier. Not my fault if you can't actually think up a counter.
DaHeckIzDat wrote:Those are the issues I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure I can remember even more if I thought about it a little.
I'm sure you'll find plenty. But how many will hold up under any kind of scrutiny?