ThePixelatedGenocide wrote:It was going slow as hell, and the metal was soft and squishy. There was push back from the beam itself.
Mind explaining the physics of how that was going to take out the weapon?
Also, feel free to add all the "objective" bad writing you've found. My favorites include "I don't understand physics: How do the bombs keep falling when they hit the vacuum of space above a planet?" and "I don't understand psychology: Why would my Luke Skywalker ever think bad thoughts? Once you stop trying to kill your dad, you're immune to bad thoughts forever."
Which is a close relation to:
"Why would Luke Skywalker throw away the weapon his dad, a slave exploited by the Jedi, used to kill all those Jedi kids? He should respect it!"
But honorable mention goes to:
"I don't understand how the force works in the movies: Why is faith and an open mind more important than Pokemon style grinding?" Because it's always a quick jump from there to "I don't understand ethics: How are Rey's flight or fight issues a character flaw? Attacking Finn? Running away from a force vision? Jumping Luke from behind? She seems perfect to me."
Seriously? You're actually going to make me repeat everything I've already said earlier in the thread? *sigh* Fine, but let's address your first issue first. No, the speeder was not going slow. Look at any of the shots of it, and it's going pretty dang fast. Maybe there was SOME push back, but if you actually watch the movie you know that it wasn't anywhere close to enough to stop the speeder. And he was, what, twenty feet away when he crashed? Yeah, clearly the last two seconds it would have taken him to get there were the MAGICAL two seconds that would make the entire rest of his ship disappear.
How would it NOT take out the weapon? Imagine driving a truck into a jet turbine. Doesn't matter how big the turbine is or how slow the truck's going, both of them are still going to go boom.
Now, for the objectively bad writing (again)...
1. "Your mom" jokes right off the bat. Yeah, that doesn't kill the mood at all, does it? Totally doesn't make the villains who you're supposed to believe are a threat look as threatening as cranky two year olds.
2. Rose. Literally everything about Rose. Take every scene she's in out of the movie, and what do you lose? Absolutely nothing. She accomplishes nothing, she changes nothing, everything she does fails and leaves the movie exactly where it would have been if she'd done nothing at all. The casino scene? Pointless. Picking up the other hacker? Pointless. Them getting caught and duking it out with Phasma? Pointless, and they killed off one of the coolest villains in the process. What does
she do? She pushes the director's "rich people are bad" agenda. Bad character, bad, bad, bad writing.
3. What reason did Holdo have to not explain her plan? If not to Poe, then why not to the rest of the crew? Everyone is scared, close to panicking, and she just decides to keep her plan her little secret. Of course they're going to mutiny, and it's all her fault! But the movie expects us to see all this incompetence and think "Wow, what a strategic genius!" And what was her ultimate plan? To run to a barren planet, hole up inside a fort with only one exit
and just wait to die. Stupid, stupid, stupid!
4. It's not a bad thing that Luke became disillusioned, the problem is that it happened in a very un-Luke-ish way. This is the guy who refused to kill the worst mass murderer the galaxy has ever known because of the very small, microscopic chance that he might turn good again in the end. But no, forget that, I totally believe that he'd consider straight up murdering his sleeping nephew because of a vision, even getting out his lightsaber.
5. Leia suddenly getting Force powers. Yes, it was hinted at that she was Force sensitive before, but you can't go from hints some thing like to "survives an explosion plus several minutes of floating in space, and then Mary Poppins-ing her way back to the ship." And it was such an easy fix, too. Just have her Force float a cup of tea to her hand or something, and when asked where she learned that, say "Oh, Luke taught me that before he vanished." And speaking of...
6. Why the hell did Luke leave a map to himself if he never wanted to be found? Was it so he could give people the middle finger when they showed up to ask for help?
7. Let's talk about Snoke. Who was he? How did he come to be so powerful? Where and how did he found the first order? If you ask Rian Johnson, he'll tell you none of it matters and you're an idiot for asking. WRONG. You do not build a bad guy up like they did in the first movie, only to kill him off with no explanation. Secondly, he's a clear copy of Palpetine. It'd be like if they made a sequel trilogy the Lord of the Rings where The Dark Lord Moron raises an orc army from the top of a tower in Mordor and can only be killed if the Other One Ring is to be cast into the fires of Mt. Doom. Would you be okay with that? And don't say that killing him off was a "plot twist." A plot twist is supposed to change the story in an unexpected way. Snoke was barely in the movies, and Kylo Ren was for all intents and purposes the main villain. Kylo killing him changed nothing, it just made things go back to the way they were before. Bad, lazy writing.
8. Btw, if Snoke was so uber mega powerful that he can read Kylo's mind, how is it possible that he didn't know Kylo was about to kill him? Sure, he was about to do the same thing to Rey, but he is inside his brain!
His true intentions shouldn't be hidden from him like that!
9. Luke hologram-ing himself to the final battle... because that's what we all want to see. The big, legendary hero PRETENDING to fight, and then dying anyway. What did he accomplish? Buying people some time? If he'd been there for real, he could have kicked Kylo's butt and ended the whole thing right there. But no, it's so much better to put on a useless light show (using powers that nobody has ever seen before... again) and let the conflict continue to fester, more innocent people dying, etc. Hey, though, let me guess... "It doesn't have to make sense, it subverted your expectations again!"
10. Rose sabotaging Finn. Not gonna repeat what I said up above, but Rose is a traitor now. 90% of the resistance is dead.Half of it is Holdo's fault, and the other half is Rose's. Yay for strong female leads, ammirite?
11. Rey is a Mary Sue. She learns complicated Jedi tricks without any training, is more powerful than Luke by the end of the second movie, never struggles with anything, is immediately let into everyone's inner circles despite barely knowing her, knows more about the Falcon than Han does after being on it a total of five minutes, and is always right and morally superior to everyone around her.
Those are the issues I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure I can remember even more if I thought about it a little.