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Re: Celeste (2018) - just another overrated indie game

Posted: June 4th, 2019, 4:28 pm
by Retro STrife
VideoGameCritic wrote:Brent brought this over today and while I admire the imaginative stage designs, this game is not for me. It's very masochistic, and while Brent could whiz through each stage with great skill, I find it nauseating just thinking about how much effort it would require to actually get that good.

He also showed me Cuphead which looked very creepy and wasn't very fun.

Both games might deserve a further look, but still, I'm glad you've joined the right side of the debate! In fairness to Celeste, it does a good job of easing you into the difficulty -- it never feels impossible like Cuphead -- but it is still way more tedious than fun. Now I wish you'd do a full review of Celeste, just so the internet can have a published review that calls out the game for how mediocre it truly is.

But I'm surprised to hear you say Cuphead is "very creepy" looking. I figured you'd appreciate the aesthetic -- it's really unique and the one thing the game really has going for it. Rip away the art style and Cuphead is mediocre at best, and probably below average if we're being honest. But that art style is really something special to see in a video game, and that alone makes it worth playing IMO.

P.S. Between the two, I'd take Celeste over Cuphead.

Re: Celeste (2018) - just another overrated indie game

Posted: June 6th, 2019, 6:16 pm
by eneuman96
As someone who absolutely loved Celeste, I'll agree to disagree, but I will say this part does confuse me:

Retro STrife wrote:
Celeste's level design is absolutely genius. This is the most expertly crafted 2D platformer I have ever experienced. Celeste trumps anything Nintendo or any other developer has done in 2D, and trumps it by a mile. In Celeste, you have only one move -- JUMP. And yet, the developers have taken that one move and used it to create endless platforming scenarios that gradually build upon each other. There is always something new; every room is a new puzzle to solve. The control is flawless -- every movement is fluid and effortless. Nothing ever feels cheap and the controls never betray you -- when you die (and you will die over and over and over), it is always your own fault. Beating some of the hardest levels, and especially getting the tougher strawberries and collectibles, is a real feat that gives you a sense of accomplishment that almost no other game has ever matched for me.

The level design is excellent, but the game itself isn't? You go on to say the game isn't all that fun, which seems to be a contradiction of what you say about the level design -- I wouldn't praise it that highly if I didn't enjoy playing through it, after all. Platformers live and die on their level design, so to say that having excellent levels does not equal an excellent platformer strikes me as odd, but at the end of the day it's your own opinion.

As for the story, your mileage may vary, but I think the developers did a good job of integrating it into the gameplay with its themes of overcoming seemingly insurmountable obstacles, as opposed to many other games even to this day where the story is just "there" and feels disconnected from the rest of the game.

Re: Celeste (2018) - just another overrated indie game

Posted: June 7th, 2019, 9:25 am
by pacman000
But I'm surprised to hear you say Cuphead is "very creepy" looking.

I'm not too surprised; a lot of people find that old rubber-hose animation style creepy. It's sometimes stiff & uncanny-valley-ish. Then the animators decide to add a bunch of surreal elements...