Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby JWK1 » August 14th, 2014, 4:20 pm

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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby VideoGameCritic » August 15th, 2014, 12:44 pm

I really can't blame Microsoft for doing this.  After all, without the Kinect they need SOME way to differentiate their console from the PS4.

If all the console had the same games, that would be pretty boring.

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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby ptdebate1 » August 15th, 2014, 1:19 pm

[QUOTE=videogamecritic]I really can't blame Microsoft for doing this.  After all, without the Kinect they need SOME way to differentiate their console from the PS4.

If all the console had the same games, that would be pretty boring.[/QUOTE]

Why would it be boring? It would just mean that you only need to own one system (per generation).

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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby Vexer1 » August 15th, 2014, 10:26 pm

It would be boring because there would be no competition, and competition promotes systems sales and is good for everyone, I don't believe that there should only be one system to rule them all.

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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby Astrosmasher1 » August 16th, 2014, 6:40 am

Who did the first exclusives?  Atari?  Then Nintendo which kept the Atari 7800 from being big when it was finally released?
Well I would say great but come one they have a cheek to call it Tomb Raider these days.  Tomb Raider was made by core design.  Published by Edios. Now it is made by Crystal Dynamics and published by Square Enix who bought Edios.
PS have Uncharted which is basically the same game.
Nintendo have Mario.



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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby ptdebate1 » August 16th, 2014, 9:37 am

[QUOTE=Vexer]It would be boring because there would be no competition, and competition promotes systems sales and is good for everyone, I don't believe that there should only be one system to rule them all.[/QUOTE]

You misunderstand, Vexer. Not one system, but one hardware standard--like MSX or 3DO.

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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby scotland171 » August 16th, 2014, 11:19 am

[QUOTE=ptdebate] I don't have to purchase a Sony DVD player to watch Sony Pictures Classics do I? I think videogames should be no different.  [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vexer]It would be boring because there would be no competition, and competition promotes systems sales and is good for everyone.[/QUOTE]

Ptdebate is talking about a standard.  You don't have to buy one television for cartoons, another for sports, another for reality shows, etc. There is plenty of competition among televisions, even though they all do the same thing.  What you are paying for is grade and quality, such as reliability, features, size, customer service, etc.

So, stop with the strawman argument, willya.  He was not arguing for a monolithic video game console market, like the Video Game Konsole for Komrades.  What we have now is like railroads, boats and cars.  Cars can't go on rivers, trains on roads, or boats on tracks.  So, some industries have a reason for why they are different.  Video games are not such an industry!

He was just saying how nice it would be to buy the one console each generation that fits your family's needs, just like you do for a television or a DVD player or a car or a refrigerator or a washer dryer or (ad infinitum)


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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby Vexer1 » August 16th, 2014, 2:50 pm

There's no "strawman" argument here, just an honest opinion.

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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby scotland171 » August 16th, 2014, 7:51 pm

If a person asserts A, and you counter that B, which is not A but something that seems like A, that is a strawman.

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Microsoft moneyhats Tomb Raider sequel

Postby Segatarious1 » August 23rd, 2014, 8:54 am

[QUOTE=scotland17][QUOTE=ptdebate] I don't have to purchase a Sony DVD player to watch Sony Pictures Classics do I? I think videogames should be no different.  [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vexer]It would be boring because there would be no competition, and competition promotes systems sales and is good for everyone.[/QUOTE]

Ptdebate is talking about a standard.  You don't have to buy one television for cartoons, another for sports, another for reality shows, etc. There is plenty of competition among televisions, even though they all do the same thing.  What you are paying for is grade and quality, such as reliability, features, size, customer service, etc.

So, stop with the strawman argument, willya.  He was not arguing for a monolithic video game console market, like the Video Game Konsole for Komrades.  What we have now is like railroads, boats and cars.  Cars can't go on rivers, trains on roads, or boats on tracks.  So, some industries have a reason for why they are different.  Video games are not such an industry!

He was just saying how nice it would be to buy the one console each generation that fits your family's needs, just like you do for a television or a DVD player or a car or a refrigerator or a washer dryer or (ad infinitum)

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I honestly do not understand this 'one console standard' argument.

The videogame industry is not like the DVD industry - and the DVD industry has several 'standards' and always will. VCR, Betamax, DVD, Blueray, etc etc etc

And those are just simple recordings. Videogames are not recordings. They are programs. They have different requirements and hardware targets that are constantly changing and/or being refined.  And a multitude of control inputs.

So are you going to force Nintendo to put their games on a universal format? Why should they? They can do it at any time, if they wish. Same with any other company - that is their prerogative. You have no legal bearing at all to force them to do anything, and they have no incentive to bring out a 'universal format'  on their own.  Every game company choose where they want to put their game, what is wrong with that?

What about tablet and cell phone games - they make up a TON of this industry -  should that also be a universal standard? Take the TV off the wall and use it as a touch screen? Oh wait, it was not built for that. So - mandate ever console has a Wii U tablet as a primary controller? Really???? Is this realistic at all?

Like I say, the closest thing is PC.  Go wild! It is not universal, but as close as you can get.....

I think the game industry is too standardized already, and that is one more reason for the glut of generic games.


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