How do you fell about all the re-releases these days?
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HardcoreSadism1
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How do you fell about all the re-releases these days?
You should work for Apple.
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Atarifever1
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How do you fell about all the re-releases these days?
I keep finding this conversation more and more strange. Here is an attempt to show how only the game market could be so silly as to worry about this:
Try to complete this analogy with another entertainment indusrty:
Re-releasing games is like if X re-released Y.
Re-releasing games is like if book publishers re-released the works of Charles Dickens.
Re-releasing games is like if book publishers re-released Stephen King novels or collections.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released Star Wars or Star Trek boxed collections.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released movies in special editions with new commentary and features.
Re-releasing games is like if artists re-released their paintings as prints once the origianl sold at auction.
Re-releasing games is like if comic companies re-released their story arcs as collected graphic novels.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released their movies on Netflix.
Re-releasing games is like if TV companies re-released their shows in sindication on other networks.
Re-releasing games is like if web comic artists re-released their strips in book form.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released boxed collections of The Beatles.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released songs on a live album.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released songs on a live concert DVD.
Every other medium lets companies make money on expensive things that came before in order to increase overall profit, meet consumer interests, and stay afloat. Why in the world is it a bad thing if Capcom can take something amazing like Street Fighter 2, re-release it to a whole new generation, and at the same time make some money so they can eventually be around to make Street Fighter 5? Just because I have a Genesis and Sonic 2 doesn't mean everyone does. Just because someone else played The Last Of Us on PS3 doesn't mean I have. Why shouldn't these things be re-released? Does Naughty Dog not deserve to make money on their original IP now? Do I not deserve to play TLoU when I get a PS4? Should young people not get to play Mario 3? Should Nintendo not be allowed to sell me a copy of Majora's Mask on VC when I had never played it before and want to? Because I don't have an N64. Is a game automatically useless and unworthy of new features when it is more than a month old?
This industry is a very starange place, and sometimes I wonder if we get more of a raw deal from publishers when they act silly, or if they get a worse one from us when we act silly. Whatever the case, I don't get this "issue" anymore at all.
Try to complete this analogy with another entertainment indusrty:
Re-releasing games is like if X re-released Y.
Re-releasing games is like if book publishers re-released the works of Charles Dickens.
Re-releasing games is like if book publishers re-released Stephen King novels or collections.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released Star Wars or Star Trek boxed collections.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released movies in special editions with new commentary and features.
Re-releasing games is like if artists re-released their paintings as prints once the origianl sold at auction.
Re-releasing games is like if comic companies re-released their story arcs as collected graphic novels.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released their movies on Netflix.
Re-releasing games is like if TV companies re-released their shows in sindication on other networks.
Re-releasing games is like if web comic artists re-released their strips in book form.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released boxed collections of The Beatles.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released songs on a live album.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released songs on a live concert DVD.
Every other medium lets companies make money on expensive things that came before in order to increase overall profit, meet consumer interests, and stay afloat. Why in the world is it a bad thing if Capcom can take something amazing like Street Fighter 2, re-release it to a whole new generation, and at the same time make some money so they can eventually be around to make Street Fighter 5? Just because I have a Genesis and Sonic 2 doesn't mean everyone does. Just because someone else played The Last Of Us on PS3 doesn't mean I have. Why shouldn't these things be re-released? Does Naughty Dog not deserve to make money on their original IP now? Do I not deserve to play TLoU when I get a PS4? Should young people not get to play Mario 3? Should Nintendo not be allowed to sell me a copy of Majora's Mask on VC when I had never played it before and want to? Because I don't have an N64. Is a game automatically useless and unworthy of new features when it is more than a month old?
This industry is a very starange place, and sometimes I wonder if we get more of a raw deal from publishers when they act silly, or if they get a worse one from us when we act silly. Whatever the case, I don't get this "issue" anymore at all.
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Segatarious1
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How do you fell about all the re-releases these days?
[QUOTE=Atarifever]I keep finding this conversation more and more strange. Here is an attempt to show how only the game market could be so silly as to worry about this:
Try to complete this analogy with another entertainment indusrty:
Re-releasing games is like if X re-released Y.
Re-releasing games is like if book publishers re-released the works of Charles Dickens.
Re-releasing games is like if book publishers re-released Stephen King novels or collections.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released Star Wars or Star Trek boxed collections.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released movies in special editions with new commentary and features.
Re-releasing games is like if artists re-released their paintings as prints once the origianl sold at auction.
Re-releasing games is like if comic companies re-released their story arcs as collected graphic novels.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released their movies on Netflix.
Re-releasing games is like if TV companies re-released their shows in sindication on other networks.
Re-releasing games is like if web comic artists re-released their strips in book form.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released boxed collections of The Beatles.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released songs on a live album.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released songs on a live concert DVD.
Every other medium lets companies make money on expensive things that came before in order to increase overall profit, meet consumer interests, and stay afloat. Why in the world is it a bad thing if Capcom can take something amazing like Street Fighter 2, re-release it to a whole new generation, and at the same time make some money so they can eventually be around to make Street Fighter 5? Just because I have a Genesis and Sonic 2 doesn't mean everyone does. Just because someone else played The Last Of Us on PS3 doesn't mean I have. Why shouldn't these things be re-released? Does Naughty Dog not deserve to make money on their original IP now? Do I not deserve to play TLoU when I get a PS4? Should young people not get to play Mario 3? Should Nintendo not be allowed to sell me a copy of Majora's Mask on VC when I had never played it before and want to? Because I don't have an N64. Is a game automatically useless and unworthy of new features when it is more than a month old?
This industry is a very starange place, and sometimes I wonder if we get more of a raw deal from publishers when they act silly, or if they get a worse one from us when we act silly. Whatever the case, I don't get this "issue" anymore at all.
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What is silly about it? I want NEW games and new experiences, because I have already played the old one. Why is it a 'big deal' to announce a remake as a key title on your platform? Come play the Last of Us and GTA 5 from your PS3 on your PS4! Why should that be impressive?
Games are expensive. They are also become increasingly formulaic. The remakes only add to the sense of 'been there, done that'.
Games are also not like any other medium. The main reason they are being update is not necessarily for accessibility, but to improve the graphics as technology changes. So it is very reasonable, not silly, for a game buyer to be discerning and spend their money on productsa that please them. When they see a shelf full of re skinned sequels, 'me too!' games, or flat out remakes, that can be a turn off. Where is the fresh content? When did Charles Dickens sub out Little Dorrit to a ham and egg author of the day to 'reboot' it? That doesn't even make sense. When did Charles Dickens say - wow - Great Expectatons sold pretty damn well - I gotta get Greater Expectations out the door in time for next November! In fact, we are going to sell Great Expectations EVER YEAR - it's a FRANCHISE!
As far as your question about waiting for Mario Kart instead of buying Sega racing, that is exactly what I did. I played the demo, was not impressed, and said 'I bet you dollars to doughnuts Mario Kart will stomp all over this game. It is not a yearly iteration franchise, and it is being made by a much more capable studio, so I bet it will be a pretty fresh and wonderful game'. And so it was. I do not owe Sega anything for trying, they have to deliver for me to want to buy their game.
Try to complete this analogy with another entertainment indusrty:
Re-releasing games is like if X re-released Y.
Re-releasing games is like if book publishers re-released the works of Charles Dickens.
Re-releasing games is like if book publishers re-released Stephen King novels or collections.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released Star Wars or Star Trek boxed collections.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released movies in special editions with new commentary and features.
Re-releasing games is like if artists re-released their paintings as prints once the origianl sold at auction.
Re-releasing games is like if comic companies re-released their story arcs as collected graphic novels.
Re-releasing games is like if movie studios re-released their movies on Netflix.
Re-releasing games is like if TV companies re-released their shows in sindication on other networks.
Re-releasing games is like if web comic artists re-released their strips in book form.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released boxed collections of The Beatles.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released songs on a live album.
Re-releasing games is like if music publishers re-released songs on a live concert DVD.
Every other medium lets companies make money on expensive things that came before in order to increase overall profit, meet consumer interests, and stay afloat. Why in the world is it a bad thing if Capcom can take something amazing like Street Fighter 2, re-release it to a whole new generation, and at the same time make some money so they can eventually be around to make Street Fighter 5? Just because I have a Genesis and Sonic 2 doesn't mean everyone does. Just because someone else played The Last Of Us on PS3 doesn't mean I have. Why shouldn't these things be re-released? Does Naughty Dog not deserve to make money on their original IP now? Do I not deserve to play TLoU when I get a PS4? Should young people not get to play Mario 3? Should Nintendo not be allowed to sell me a copy of Majora's Mask on VC when I had never played it before and want to? Because I don't have an N64. Is a game automatically useless and unworthy of new features when it is more than a month old?
This industry is a very starange place, and sometimes I wonder if we get more of a raw deal from publishers when they act silly, or if they get a worse one from us when we act silly. Whatever the case, I don't get this "issue" anymore at all.
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What is silly about it? I want NEW games and new experiences, because I have already played the old one. Why is it a 'big deal' to announce a remake as a key title on your platform? Come play the Last of Us and GTA 5 from your PS3 on your PS4! Why should that be impressive?
Games are expensive. They are also become increasingly formulaic. The remakes only add to the sense of 'been there, done that'.
Games are also not like any other medium. The main reason they are being update is not necessarily for accessibility, but to improve the graphics as technology changes. So it is very reasonable, not silly, for a game buyer to be discerning and spend their money on productsa that please them. When they see a shelf full of re skinned sequels, 'me too!' games, or flat out remakes, that can be a turn off. Where is the fresh content? When did Charles Dickens sub out Little Dorrit to a ham and egg author of the day to 'reboot' it? That doesn't even make sense. When did Charles Dickens say - wow - Great Expectatons sold pretty damn well - I gotta get Greater Expectations out the door in time for next November! In fact, we are going to sell Great Expectations EVER YEAR - it's a FRANCHISE!
As far as your question about waiting for Mario Kart instead of buying Sega racing, that is exactly what I did. I played the demo, was not impressed, and said 'I bet you dollars to doughnuts Mario Kart will stomp all over this game. It is not a yearly iteration franchise, and it is being made by a much more capable studio, so I bet it will be a pretty fresh and wonderful game'. And so it was. I do not owe Sega anything for trying, they have to deliver for me to want to buy their game.
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HardcoreSadism1
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How do you fell about all the re-releases these days?
Put a Nintendo seal of quality on an oxygen tank, and you would be loyal to that no doubt...
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Atarifever1
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How do you fell about all the re-releases these days?
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Games are also not like any other medium. The main reason they are being update is not necessarily for accessibility, but to improve the graphics as technology changes.
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No, you have this exactly backwards. Games are the main industry where it is most necessary for accessibility. The copy of Lord of the Rings at the Library here sits fine on the bookshelf I already own. And it works with the exact same light the sun has been providing for billions of years. They only stopped making VHS/DVD combos like last year, and I used to rent VHS movies when I was about 8. To play pretty much every movie you ever owned you'd need one VHS machine and a Blu-Ray player. What would I need to play every game I ever owned? I can't even play every console game currently released all on one system NOW. Today. A game comes out next week, and I may need any one of three different consoles to play it right now. If a movie comes out this week, I have something to play it for sure. A new book comes out, it already works. I buy a painting it hangs on any wall in the house, and will hang on any wall in any other house I ever own. I buy an NES game at a yard sale, it will NOT plug into my Wii U.
The exact opposite of what you said is true. In gaming, because of the obsession with new technology and formats meaning old formats are abandoned every half decade or so, it is more important to re-release than in any other medium.
As for your thing about Sonic, I wasn't talking about you. I was saying that other people (who like more than one thing in the whole world) might want to enjoy one thing that exists while they wait for another thing that does not exist. I won't debate if Sonic All Stars is better than Mario Kart 8 (I'm still trying to figure out if I think any game was ever better than Mario Kart 8), but it can't be hated on for getting here 18 months earlier with features (an important one or 2 of them) that Mario Kart didn't even have a year and a half later.
Games are also not like any other medium. The main reason they are being update is not necessarily for accessibility, but to improve the graphics as technology changes.
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No, you have this exactly backwards. Games are the main industry where it is most necessary for accessibility. The copy of Lord of the Rings at the Library here sits fine on the bookshelf I already own. And it works with the exact same light the sun has been providing for billions of years. They only stopped making VHS/DVD combos like last year, and I used to rent VHS movies when I was about 8. To play pretty much every movie you ever owned you'd need one VHS machine and a Blu-Ray player. What would I need to play every game I ever owned? I can't even play every console game currently released all on one system NOW. Today. A game comes out next week, and I may need any one of three different consoles to play it right now. If a movie comes out this week, I have something to play it for sure. A new book comes out, it already works. I buy a painting it hangs on any wall in the house, and will hang on any wall in any other house I ever own. I buy an NES game at a yard sale, it will NOT plug into my Wii U.
The exact opposite of what you said is true. In gaming, because of the obsession with new technology and formats meaning old formats are abandoned every half decade or so, it is more important to re-release than in any other medium.
As for your thing about Sonic, I wasn't talking about you. I was saying that other people (who like more than one thing in the whole world) might want to enjoy one thing that exists while they wait for another thing that does not exist. I won't debate if Sonic All Stars is better than Mario Kart 8 (I'm still trying to figure out if I think any game was ever better than Mario Kart 8), but it can't be hated on for getting here 18 months earlier with features (an important one or 2 of them) that Mario Kart didn't even have a year and a half later.
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Gentlegamer1
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How do you fell about all the re-releases these days?
I was going to type up a reply, but instead Atarifever said everything.
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knoll3601
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How do you fell about all the re-releases these days?
Personally I think rereleases are excellent, I wish we had more of them. What bothers me is all of the remakes. For example, if a movie gets remade or even if all of the special effects are redone then all of a sudden the original is never released again (just think Star Wars here for a minute) most people are going to be annoying. However, this is common practice in the video game industry. Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary for example isn't a port, it is a remake. Because of it we will probably not get a rerelease of the original ever again. It is a loss of culture.
What I would like more of is straight ports. Whether this means disc compilations (like in the PS2 days) or simply a mass amount of stuff being released on the Wii Virtual Console (and its Microsoft and PlayStation equivalents). This gives many gamers access to games they wouldn't have been able to play before. Also, being able to play the same game in 1080p and in widescreen is a great experience (without the actual graphics or anything in game being changed). It is the equivalent of having a new blu-ray release of your favorite movie. It is still the same movie, but is now more accessible and looks much better.
I'm just waiting for the day where everything will be available on a single platform with ease. I would love to be able to switch from an NES game to a PS4 game in a few minutes and then even play something as obscure as a CD-I game. I don't want more remakes, and I don't want more games to be left behind with each passing generation. Get these games out there. Companies could make a lot of money simply putting their back catalog out there.
What I would like more of is straight ports. Whether this means disc compilations (like in the PS2 days) or simply a mass amount of stuff being released on the Wii Virtual Console (and its Microsoft and PlayStation equivalents). This gives many gamers access to games they wouldn't have been able to play before. Also, being able to play the same game in 1080p and in widescreen is a great experience (without the actual graphics or anything in game being changed). It is the equivalent of having a new blu-ray release of your favorite movie. It is still the same movie, but is now more accessible and looks much better.
I'm just waiting for the day where everything will be available on a single platform with ease. I would love to be able to switch from an NES game to a PS4 game in a few minutes and then even play something as obscure as a CD-I game. I don't want more remakes, and I don't want more games to be left behind with each passing generation. Get these games out there. Companies could make a lot of money simply putting their back catalog out there.
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