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Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 1st, 2014, 10:02 pm
by Atarifever1
pacguy19, I'm new to being a mod, and didn't know what to do with that last comment, as it was completely acceptable until the last word, and wasn't quite you calling him an idiot directly. Please try to make my job easier in the future and don't call anyone an idiot at all. If another mod with more experience wants to delete it entirely or tell me what they would do here (or that I'm being oversensitive), I'm up for learning. Thanks.
Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 1st, 2014, 10:20 pm
by Atarifever1
As far as the Disney comment goes, I have two kids under 6. Disney is far, far from just another face in the crowd around here. Disney (and Pixar, which they own) is probably the most enjoyed brand in my entire family right now (followed by Nintendo). Be it their Marvel stuff (they're managing it fine, thanks), the Pixar and Disney movies my kids love (the Disney cartoons they still make are just fine), House of Mouse (a huge pre-school show), or the classics my wife watches over again all the time, Disney is everywhere in my house. The quality of even the companies they have bought is so high you have to even give them some credit as a business entity for being smarter, and managing the companies they acquire better than most everyone else. And Disneyland/ World? They have special autism bracelets to let you cut lines because they, unlike most everyone else, knows how important not having to wait for hours can be to an autistic person (and those around them). That alone puts them in a league all their own with my family.
No, they are most certainly not just another company. Disney is amazing.
Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 1st, 2014, 10:52 pm
by HardcoreSadism1
[QUOTE=Segatarious]Disney is indistinguishable from any other CG movie studio out there, though. They are not unique. Their products blend in with every thing else on the market. They used to be a standard, now they are just a large company that does what every other large company does.
Nintendo however, instantly recognizable.
Sony, generic console gaming - same controller forever and ever.
Microsoft - hardcore pandering - lots of features, but very little beef in the taco.
Make along list of the features and games Sony and MS took from Nintendo last gen, it is a damn long list. Nintendo has a plan, and they innovate.[/QUOTE]
The bold parts are hyperbole.
Might I suggest proofreading from now on?
Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 1st, 2014, 10:52 pm
by Segatarious1
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Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 2nd, 2014, 12:23 am
by Segatarious1
Disney is generic, these days. They are vary big, and they acquire other studios and properties to produce. They are obviously very popular. Being big and popular does not make you unique, or cutting edge, or innovative. Disney used to be the high point of animation and animated story telling. But they are not anymore. Go watch 'Chicken Little' and tell me that is not just another generic CG movie. It is full of lazy pop culture references, just like Shrek. Generic.
Look at Pixar, aquired by Disney - Toy Story 1, 2, and 3 are the same movie, told the same way, each time. It is fan service, it is like a video game franchise, milked not to innovate, but to touch the same places at the same times, with each retelling. It is formulaic. There is no art in formula. Your boxed brownies taste good, but there is nothing special about them. They are a formula. They can never be truly great.
Phineus and Ferb is a hipster cartoon. It has no depth. Again, just pop culture references and lazy cliches.
The Mickey Mouse Club House is lazy, poorly animated, and boring. It is indistinguishable from any other lazy young child program, save for it stars Mickey Mouse, and tarnishes his name.
Show me a Disney Feature of this time that has a true moral backbone, and is not just pop culture rehashes and/or politically correct sloganeering. They resemble political propaganda films, not artistic cinema. They do not make you think, they lull you to sleep. Let it go, let it go! blah blah blah blah blah! Tangled did not even have the guts to kill off the rogue character, for him to redeem hims crimes and lies by sacrifice for someone who was good and caring. It is too wishy washy, and contradictory. No guts. No loss. Back in the day, the Dwarfs ran off to kill the witch, no retreat, no surrender - they had guts - Disney movies have no guts today. Just soft, politically correct hope in some vague ideal, with no sacrifice or hard choices for the audience to ponder.
Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 2nd, 2014, 1:46 am
by pacguy191
I'm gonna try something here, see if it works. I'm gonna use your real wording to show how, even if your argument worked, you wouldn't be in a position to make it.
"Nintendo is generic, these days. They are very big. They are obviously very popular. Being big and popular does not make you unique, or cutting edge, or innovative. Nintendo used to be the high point of gameplay and story telling. But they are not anymore.
All the Mario games are the same, told the same way, each time. It is fan service, milked not to innovate, but to touch the same places at the same times, with each retelling. It is formulaic. There is no art in formula. Your boxed brownies taste good, but there is nothing special about them. They are a formula. They can never be truly great."
Seriously, when was the last time Mario was more than "Peach kidnapped, save her"?
Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 2nd, 2014, 1:52 am
by HardcoreSadism1
Again, you're off-topic and already killing threads before a page could even be filled.
Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 2nd, 2014, 7:04 am
by Segatarious1
Except Nintendo continually innovates with Mario game play, and the games are the best on the market.
Mario 3D World was the best platform released on the market last year - I cannot say the same thing about any Disney movie.
Mario Kart 8 is polished beyond any other kart racer - far beyond. The track design is far and away better than the competition. I cannot say the same about any Disney movie.
Seriously, when was the last time Mario was more than "Peach kidnapped, save her"?
^This is irrelevant, because the 'plot' of Mario is not what makes Mario fun. That is a scenario, not a plot. If Nintendo were chasing plot in gaming, and doing a poor job of it, then they would be the competition, not Nintendo. Games thrive on control and level design, which Nintendo does better than anyone else. Whereas modern day Disney pumps out pedestrian films.
Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 2nd, 2014, 10:02 am
by marderman291
By innovate you mean add one lousy powerup and generic gameplay?
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Nintendo as a Genre?
Posted: July 2nd, 2014, 10:04 am
by Atarifever1
[QUOTE=Segatarious]
Mario 3D World was the best platform released on the market last year - I cannot say the same thing about any Disney movie.
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Frozen. 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. It won two Academy Awards. It won "Best Animated Feature" from the Academy Awards and the Golden Globes. Having won both major awards, it was pretty likely the best animated movie of last year. It was from Disney Disney too, not Pixar Disney.