Classic Games get no respect?

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Classic Games get no respect?

Postby VideoGameCritic » July 24th, 2016, 12:57 pm

I find it kind of annoying how unlike other media like music and movies, older games are regarded with such derision. With the introduction of the newly repackaged NES, an excitement has been dismissed as pure nostalgia. Sure, that's a major factor, but the games themselves are timeless and excellent. It's as if the media judges games solely on their graphics. And the sad part is - it's not just the media. I see the industry taking the same attitude!

Okay I get it - most members of the media don't even have a decent grasp of modern games much less game released 30 years ago. But you don't hear them write off old music or movies because they are old. In fact, these are usually regarded with a certain reverence lacking from classic game coverage.

I'm hoping interest in the new NES will help the industry wake up. These old games should be celebrated. There's something to be said for 2D graphics and simple gameplay. I think the people who frequent this site have known this for years.

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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby scotland » July 24th, 2016, 4:27 pm

    Just thoughts:

    1) Its the degree that video games are linked to technology, more than movies, television and much more than music. Other media also age, consider the evolution of special effects in movies, but so much slower. Video games are constantly marketed on pushing the technological envelope, which leads to disparaging games that seem so primitive.

    2) Movies, television and music are linked to people, who have their glory days, and are gone. The Beatles only recorded for about 10 years, or Grace Kelley was only in Hollywood for about half a dozen years, which means they are not constantly being replaced by newer Beatles music or Grace Kelley movies. Fans can compare early to later Beatles music, but comparing another band to the Beatles is like apples to oranges. Video games really are all in the same people-less bucket, so they are constantly being compared.

    3) The best video games are not (yet) considered art. Most music, art, movies, television is just throwaway light entertainment, as are most video games. Yet the hundreds of years of art, and decades of movies and television have produced some things considered worthy of respect, study, emulation and preserving in the general public and in academia - not yet video games.

    4) Some media have it worse than video games - Retro gaming in its many forms is very popular. Two decades of high quality commercial radio shows - comedies, drama, suspense, etc are all basically a niche hobby. So are things like silent movies, disco music, pulp fiction, etc. Comic book IPs are currently popular, but decades of comics have not produced much respect in the general public despite that. All things considered, maybe retro gaming is doing just fine.


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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby LoganRuckman » July 24th, 2016, 5:59 pm

Modern gaming gets a lot of derision too. The hardcore retro gamers never have a good thing to say about modern games. And retro games get blasted by many younger gamers who didn't grow up with the classics and by graphics whores. Now, I'm more of a retro gamer myself, but I recognize that a good game is a good game, regardless of age. Perhaps gamers in general should judge a game on its actual merits and flaws, not "old games suck" or "new games suck."

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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby Hardcore Sadism » July 24th, 2016, 7:56 pm

Gaming and Tech media don't really have quality filters so, I don't know what you're expecting of them...

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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby matmico399 » July 25th, 2016, 11:38 am

Here's the perception a lot of younger gamers have. True story from my 16 y/o son who games all the way back to the nes:

Son: Regarding the current gen, if you want good exclusives get a WiiU.

Friend: The WiiU doesn't have good graphics.

S: If you want good graphics get a pc.

F: Well graphics aren't everything....

Obv for this kid they really are. The game could be terrible, but hey look at the graphics.

The majority of the young put there noses up at great classic games because it's all about GRAPHICS!

I just want fun and it is sad.

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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby eneuman96 » July 25th, 2016, 1:04 pm

I agree with LoganRuckman that a game's quality has nothing to do with the generation it comes from. I've been playing games from nearly all eras since I was a little kid. Graphics don't mean anything if the game is enjoyable to play (Adventure on Atari 2600 comes to mind).

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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby Voor » July 26th, 2016, 10:19 pm

The NES Mini isn't just nostalgia for me--it will be my main gaming console. I currently don't have a console at all because I don't like newer games and don't have the money to collect older games (which have gone up in prices like crazy lately).

I just want a cheap, accessible way to play classic games with my kids for 15-30 minutes at a time.

I lucked out because the Mini compromises over half the games I'd want to play anyway if given the choice. Really, between NES Mini and a 64, I could be set. A SNES Mini would be awesome, as long as it had Super Metroid, Super Mario World, and Yoshis Island.....if it ever happens.

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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby LS650 » July 31st, 2016, 10:45 am

I have several 8-bit systems: I prefer the older games to newer ones. When I see a friend playing a game like Skyrim, Uncharted, etc. the graphics are very impressive - but is the game play itself really any different? Jump from this platform to that one, shoot the moving target, flip the switches in the right order to unlock the door, etc. The actually concepts behind how most games play (there are some exceptions of course) really haven't changed much in 30+ years.

I actually haven't owned an NES for years, and if the Classic gets good reviews I will definitely buy one!

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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby tortimer » August 31st, 2016, 6:05 pm

There is something to be said for 2D graphics and simple gameplay. And there is much to be said for immersive experiences found often in many technologically advanced games. Part of the problem, as I think someone else mentioned, is we're comparing the wrong things. There's little point in comparing a classic or traditional video game with so many modern-style games just as there's no real benefit of comparing games from different genres. It's much easier to compare music and film across time as even though styles of music and film making have changed over time the way we interact with them has remained mostly consistent. Whereas the way you interact with something like a Mario platformer versus something like an Elder Scrolls game are vastly different. You're really going into it with different expectations and coming away with a completely different experience... and yet, on some fundamental level they are both technically "video games."

Something like the NES Classic is a wonderful idea so long as people approach it with the right frame of mind. Never is it meant to compete with anything other than traditional or classic gaming experiences. If players young or old, with or without nostalgia try some of these games they may find that, for what they are, hey - these are pretty fun video games (for that style of gaming).

Less related to the topic but something else I really like about this is that it enables gamers to own and play classic games without the physical overhead of traditional collecting, which while fun for a lot of people can be costly and quite involving as it's essentially a hobby unto itself.

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Re: Classic Games get no respect?

Postby Voor » September 1st, 2016, 6:30 pm

One cool thing: old classics have found new life with the speedrunning community. Just check out speed demos archives or the awesome games done quick marathons or twitch and they are everywhere. For example, lots of folks are practice for the Big 20, which is a race to beat 20 classic NES games the fastest. They always throw in some awful games for fun as well (Super Pitfall this year).

I love speedrunning. For example, i beat super Mario 3 so many times, I got bored with. But to watch the runners blaze through it and give their commentary about all the tricks and tactics makes it fun all over.


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