It has been slow since launch for the Wii and alot of the titles that came out recently have been getting average reviews (Sonic, SSX Blur, Tiger Woods), but Rob is right. More and more games keep getting announced and games like No More Heroes, Opoona, Manhunt 2 etc...are going to have to fill voids. Nintendo's first party stuff is guarenteed gold and in April Super Paper Mario will probably fly off the shelf. Also its worth noting that The Godfather is getting decent reviews. It seems like every week the Wii lineup gets stronger...at least to me it does.
I love the Wii and party/mini games work well for when people are over, but the system needs solid single player offering as well. The first year is going to be a balancing act for sure and if Nintendo actually pulls it all off I will be happily surprised.
Atarifever...I know you just got the system (congrats!), but if you and your lady friend are looking for a fun title get Rayman Raving Rabbids. My girlfriend bought that one for me and we can't stop laughing while playing. Its simple fun and I think you would really enjoy it.
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What's interesting about the review scores in in the early going is the wide spread. You really do see most Wii games getting very high marks from some and dreadfully low marks from others. This is true even of the games that are generally regarded as good by most laypeople: Rayman, Elebits, Trauma Center, Excite Truck, etc.
Very few games on the Wii, so far, have received universal praise or condemnation. Far Cry, some of the licensed junk, and to a lesser extent the Splinter Cell game are the only ones that have gotten truly panned. Zelda is the only game that has been truly exalted (though those games are rare for any system) (maybe WarioWare and Madden came close to universal good scores, but not to Zelda's degree).
Most of the games fall into that confused area, however. SSX Blur is a great example. One reviewer praises it, as Mark Bozon of IGN does, as a brilliant example of what the Wii can be for hardcore gamers. He loves the difficulty of the uber tricks. Others detest the game, often for the same reasons he loves it!
Yet more fascinating, however, is that there is a disconnect between the review scores and actual sales. Red Steel continues to put in decent sales numbers, despite checking in very average Metacritic.com scores. Most of us know that reviews are a little overrated in terms of predicting a game's success on the market, but it really seems like the gamers enjoy the Wii titles more so than the reviewers. Another example: Wii Play was scored very low, yet its a big seller still. Yes, we know that is a good bit due to the game being $10 dollars (with a $40 controller). But Wii Play is also interesting as it is one of those games in which you can immediately get most people going in short order. I bought it specifically for those times that friends or parents come over. I suspect many more "hardcore gamers" do the same.
Is there a point here somewhere?
Yeah, I think it is this: While true for all games, it is especially true on Wii that you have to try a game, not rely on a review score, to determine if you think it's any good or not.
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Very few games on the Wii, so far, have received universal praise or condemnation. Far Cry, some of the licensed junk, and to a lesser extent the Splinter Cell game are the only ones that have gotten truly panned. Zelda is the only game that has been truly exalted (though those games are rare for any system) (maybe WarioWare and Madden came close to universal good scores, but not to Zelda's degree).
Most of the games fall into that confused area, however. SSX Blur is a great example. One reviewer praises it, as Mark Bozon of IGN does, as a brilliant example of what the Wii can be for hardcore gamers. He loves the difficulty of the uber tricks. Others detest the game, often for the same reasons he loves it!
Yet more fascinating, however, is that there is a disconnect between the review scores and actual sales. Red Steel continues to put in decent sales numbers, despite checking in very average Metacritic.com scores. Most of us know that reviews are a little overrated in terms of predicting a game's success on the market, but it really seems like the gamers enjoy the Wii titles more so than the reviewers. Another example: Wii Play was scored very low, yet its a big seller still. Yes, we know that is a good bit due to the game being $10 dollars (with a $40 controller). But Wii Play is also interesting as it is one of those games in which you can immediately get most people going in short order. I bought it specifically for those times that friends or parents come over. I suspect many more "hardcore gamers" do the same.
Is there a point here somewhere?
Yeah, I think it is this: While true for all games, it is especially true on Wii that you have to try a game, not rely on a review score, to determine if you think it's any good or not.-Rob
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JustLikeHeaven1
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You are absolutely correct Rob. With the wii you are going to have to rent or take some chances on purchases.
I was interested in Marvel Ultimate Alliance and the game got really mixed reviews. I saw the game on sale at ebgames one week and decided to give it a shot.
Well I'm really glad I did, because that game filled a huge single player void that had been missing in my lineup. The visuals are putrid, but the gameplay is tight and playing with the Wiimote was very fun. Using the Wiimote for superpowers just felt right. My personal favorite in that game is a move that has spiderman tie up his oppenent and twirl him around over his head, before tossing him. To do this you first make a stabbing gesture while holding B...once the enemy is tied up you wave your arm in a circle and Spidey spins that SOB!
The game isn't perfect, but I was more than satisfied with it.
I was interested in Marvel Ultimate Alliance and the game got really mixed reviews. I saw the game on sale at ebgames one week and decided to give it a shot.
Well I'm really glad I did, because that game filled a huge single player void that had been missing in my lineup. The visuals are putrid, but the gameplay is tight and playing with the Wiimote was very fun. Using the Wiimote for superpowers just felt right. My personal favorite in that game is a move that has spiderman tie up his oppenent and twirl him around over his head, before tossing him. To do this you first make a stabbing gesture while holding B...once the enemy is tied up you wave your arm in a circle and Spidey spins that SOB!
The game isn't perfect, but I was more than satisfied with it.
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Crevalle
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What I love about the Wii so much are the graphics. It's like a nostalgic trip through the 90's again. Good times.
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Funkmaster V
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I think the Wii has more interesting games at this point (4 months) than the 360 did. I would be patient
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Steerforth
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Its not so much that I was on the fence, its just that in the past I have more patience, and get a better deal. Obviously the GC was forced to price drop very quickly, the Wii likely won't. If my wife wasn't married to me, I seriously doubt she would have bought one.
Wii support :
Fine, Nintendo likely won't have the most 3rd part support. Again. But no other console will have theit 1st party games, either, so that's the tradeoff. I guess people are still stuck in the winner take all model for videgames, how many times has Nintendo's impending demise been exagerated? Despite being "underpowered" the Wii is still going to be the most unique and recognizable system. Good luck finding comprable titles for Wii Sports and Super Mario Galaxy on another system. Its all in what you want to play, Nintendo alone will make enouh quality games to justify the purchase, if some 3rd parties can add some unique and original ideas, so much the better.
The Wii will suffer from existing game franchises getting cheap control add ons, the other 2 systems will suffer from existing game franchises getting what amounts to a new shiny coat of paint. Take your pick, if you want to justify your purchase with "EA" style 3rd party games, another year another version, at least we have a brand name to tack on it.
Its not so much that I was on the fence, its just that in the past I have more patience, and get a better deal. Obviously the GC was forced to price drop very quickly, the Wii likely won't. If my wife wasn't married to me, I seriously doubt she would have bought one.
Wii support :
Fine, Nintendo likely won't have the most 3rd part support. Again. But no other console will have theit 1st party games, either, so that's the tradeoff. I guess people are still stuck in the winner take all model for videgames, how many times has Nintendo's impending demise been exagerated? Despite being "underpowered" the Wii is still going to be the most unique and recognizable system. Good luck finding comprable titles for Wii Sports and Super Mario Galaxy on another system. Its all in what you want to play, Nintendo alone will make enouh quality games to justify the purchase, if some 3rd parties can add some unique and original ideas, so much the better.
The Wii will suffer from existing game franchises getting cheap control add ons, the other 2 systems will suffer from existing game franchises getting what amounts to a new shiny coat of paint. Take your pick, if you want to justify your purchase with "EA" style 3rd party games, another year another version, at least we have a brand name to tack on it.
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[QUOTE=Funkmaster V]I think the Wii has more interesting games at this point (4 months) than the 360 did. I would be patient
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Really? I guess this is truly subjective. I personally think Condemned which was a launch title is better then anything that has been released for the Wii (including Zelda). But like I said, it's subjective as all heck.
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ATarifever
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[QUOTE=Steerforth]In response to a :
The Wii will suffer from existing game franchises getting cheap control add ons, the other 2 systems will suffer from existing game franchises getting what amounts to a new shiny coat of paint.
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Actually, in an article I read the other day someone made a good point that it may be the PS3 that suffers the most this generation when it comes to third parties.
The argument, as I understood it, was that with the PS3 having a hard time picking up momentum, and millions of 360s already sold, third parties will focus their big budget development teams on the 360 right now and will farm out the PS3 versions. As a result the 360's strengths will be played to, while the PS3 will get the "me too" ports, that are more rushed, and will play less to the PS3's strengths. As a result, we'll see situations like we've seen so far where often the 360 version looks clearly superior to the more powerful PS3. As a result, the PS3 continues to struggle making sales, and continues to get the versions that are phoned in, repeating the cycle.
Given the sales of games like "Brainage", "Raving Rabbids", and other games optimized for the Nintendo "weird" systems, it is likely that 3rd party developers will chance making entirely different games for the Wii as often as they try terrible ports. Look at EA. They apologized for making such junk for the DS and have been trying to make up for it in big ways.
Wii Tiger Woods is not just a port of the other versions. It has lower graphical quality than the 360 version and no online, but more courses than the 360 and an entirely different control system.
Wii Madden has a completely overhauled control scheme, which is, in my opinion, a first for the series.
EA is making 2 "from the ground up" SIMS games for the Wii and DS. It's like SIMS meets Animal Crossing. The SIMS is not a minor series for EA.
Thus, I actually don't feel that it is the Wii which will have the second rate ports. I think they'll have less but entirely different games much of the time. As well, I think the big budget titles may actually keep going to the 360. And with the next Dragon Warrior and a bunch of Final Fantasy stuff coming to Nintendo systems, the 360's lack of success in Japan doesn't even guarantee Sony gets the big games over there anymore.
The Wii will suffer from existing game franchises getting cheap control add ons, the other 2 systems will suffer from existing game franchises getting what amounts to a new shiny coat of paint.
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Actually, in an article I read the other day someone made a good point that it may be the PS3 that suffers the most this generation when it comes to third parties.
The argument, as I understood it, was that with the PS3 having a hard time picking up momentum, and millions of 360s already sold, third parties will focus their big budget development teams on the 360 right now and will farm out the PS3 versions. As a result the 360's strengths will be played to, while the PS3 will get the "me too" ports, that are more rushed, and will play less to the PS3's strengths. As a result, we'll see situations like we've seen so far where often the 360 version looks clearly superior to the more powerful PS3. As a result, the PS3 continues to struggle making sales, and continues to get the versions that are phoned in, repeating the cycle.
Given the sales of games like "Brainage", "Raving Rabbids", and other games optimized for the Nintendo "weird" systems, it is likely that 3rd party developers will chance making entirely different games for the Wii as often as they try terrible ports. Look at EA. They apologized for making such junk for the DS and have been trying to make up for it in big ways.
Wii Tiger Woods is not just a port of the other versions. It has lower graphical quality than the 360 version and no online, but more courses than the 360 and an entirely different control system.
Wii Madden has a completely overhauled control scheme, which is, in my opinion, a first for the series.
EA is making 2 "from the ground up" SIMS games for the Wii and DS. It's like SIMS meets Animal Crossing. The SIMS is not a minor series for EA.
Thus, I actually don't feel that it is the Wii which will have the second rate ports. I think they'll have less but entirely different games much of the time. As well, I think the big budget titles may actually keep going to the 360. And with the next Dragon Warrior and a bunch of Final Fantasy stuff coming to Nintendo systems, the 360's lack of success in Japan doesn't even guarantee Sony gets the big games over there anymore.
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[QUOTE=ATarifever][QUOTE=Steerforth]In response to a :
The Wii will suffer from existing game franchises getting cheap control add ons, the other 2 systems will suffer from existing game franchises getting what amounts to a new shiny coat of paint.
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The argument, as I understood it, was that with the PS3 having a hard time picking up momentum, and millions of 360s already sold, third parties will focus their big budget development teams on the 360 right now and will farm out the PS3 versions. As a result the 360's strengths will be played to, while the PS3 will get the "me too" ports, that are more rushed, and will play less to the PS3's strengths. As a result, we'll see situations like we've seen so far where often the 360 version looks clearly superior to the more powerful PS3. As a result, the PS3 continues to struggle making sales, and continues to get the versions that are phoned in, repeating the cycle.
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Not true--Sony is not struggling to sell PS3s.
The Wii will suffer from existing game franchises getting cheap control add ons, the other 2 systems will suffer from existing game franchises getting what amounts to a new shiny coat of paint.
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The argument, as I understood it, was that with the PS3 having a hard time picking up momentum, and millions of 360s already sold, third parties will focus their big budget development teams on the 360 right now and will farm out the PS3 versions. As a result the 360's strengths will be played to, while the PS3 will get the "me too" ports, that are more rushed, and will play less to the PS3's strengths. As a result, we'll see situations like we've seen so far where often the 360 version looks clearly superior to the more powerful PS3. As a result, the PS3 continues to struggle making sales, and continues to get the versions that are phoned in, repeating the cycle.
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Not true--Sony is not struggling to sell PS3s.
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Atarifever1
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[QUOTE=Crevalle][QUOTE=Atarifever][QUOTE=Steerforth]In response to a :
As a result, the PS3 continues to struggle making sales, and continues to get the versions that are phoned in, repeating the cycle.
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Not true--Sony is not struggling to sell PS3s.
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I guess you're right, in so far as struggle implies a concentrated effort would be being made.
As a result, the PS3 continues to struggle making sales, and continues to get the versions that are phoned in, repeating the cycle.
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Not true--Sony is not struggling to sell PS3s.
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I guess you're right, in so far as struggle implies a concentrated effort would be being made.
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