[QUOTE=Adamant][QUOTE=Luke]The last time I checked, sales didn't determine how great a system is.
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Well, they determine where third-party games go. And good third party games are an important part of a great system. So yeah, indirectly they do.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. A lot of third-party developers will go where either a.) they have a fairly user-friendly devopment kit to work with, and/or b.) they have the chance to use new technology in an attempt to try something new and push boundaries.
It's not always about the money. Most often it may be. But for people like.. say.. Team Ninja, it isn't. It's about making exciting new games.
What is the point in the Wii's SD card anyway?!
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Adamant1
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[QUOTE=Luke]Miltary Madness I'm not familiar with, but I'm guessing Resistance or Gears Of War would do the trick and keep you busy for awhile.
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You're guessing wrong. Military Madness is a turn-based strategy game (and an excellent one at that).
As for the other games, while Motorstorm is indeed good, it still can't beat Excitetruck (and neither game "blow the other out of the water" at all), Actraiser is again completely different from Tenchi and yet another Ninja Gaiden remake (yawn), and the notion of the worst Sonic game to date being even close to a good alternative to Super Paper Mario sounds like nothing but blind fanboyism.
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You're guessing wrong. Military Madness is a turn-based strategy game (and an excellent one at that).
As for the other games, while Motorstorm is indeed good, it still can't beat Excitetruck (and neither game "blow the other out of the water" at all), Actraiser is again completely different from Tenchi and yet another Ninja Gaiden remake (yawn), and the notion of the worst Sonic game to date being even close to a good alternative to Super Paper Mario sounds like nothing but blind fanboyism.
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JasonhasRSI1
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[QUOTE=chrisbid] modern 'hardcore' gaming is on notice and will likely go the way of the dinosaurs and 2D gaming.
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Ugh, that makes me want to weep. Goodbye, great gaming.
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Ugh, that makes me want to weep. Goodbye, great gaming.
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Luke
What is the point in the Wii's SD card anyway?!
[QUOTE=feilong80][QUOTE=Luke] Like all the mindless Wii critics, you totally minimize the strong Wii library (because I doubt you are familiar with it). I bet you are one of those guys that just skims Metacritic and looks at the scores as complete irrefutable fact (because professional critics never, ever get it wrong! ). Was there as many good, fun games available for the 360 in the first 8 months of the systems life? That's highly debateable.[/QUOTE]Ok, first of all you spelled debatable wrong. Second, if you were to go back to the beginning of tis thread.. you'd see that my rant isn't just about the Wii versus the 360 and the PS3.. it's about the Wii versus itself.
Nintendo's last two systems have been absolute failures! And I know a lot of people would love to fight me on that, but it's the honest to God truth.
The only reason they sell units is because of name recognition and the fact that some people still have faith that somehow they will somehow be as great as they once were, but they won't.
I mean, c'mon.. level with me for a minute here. Some people love Nintendo right? Which also means that some people also still love Mario. But how many new Mario games did they make for the last two systems? The answer is 2. One of the 64 - Super Mario 64, and one on the Gamecube - Super Mario Sunshine. I don't care who you are, that's pathetic! And now what are they now promising us? One new game again - Super Mario Galaxy. Big fricken whoop!
I just think that's Nintendo's biggest problem - they don't seem to learn from their mistakes too often. They keep making stupid, careless mistakes. First they decided to go with the cartridge on the 64 even though everybody else was going with cd-rom cause it had true-stereo sound and so much more potential. Then on the Gamecube they decided to steer away from DVD-ROM (even though that's the way theindustry was headed) and came up with their own little format which may have looked good on paper but didn't go over well with the general public. And now they're making another huge mistake with the Wii by not following where the other systems are going which is High Definition with 5.1 surround sound. Trust me, it may not be such a big deal now, but in the next few years it will be.
And here's another question for you? And you can think about this one.
How many ways are there to swing a wii-mote like a baseball bat?
Surely, swinging a controller is a lot more fun than merely pushing some buttons while sitting on the couch. But once you have a decent game that already accomplishes what you want it to, what would make you want to go out and buy another one that is based upon the exact same principle - you standing in your living room swinging away like an idiot)? Would it be due to updated graphics by chance? Think about it.
Nintendo's last two systems have been absolute failures! And I know a lot of people would love to fight me on that, but it's the honest to God truth.
The only reason they sell units is because of name recognition and the fact that some people still have faith that somehow they will somehow be as great as they once were, but they won't.
I mean, c'mon.. level with me for a minute here. Some people love Nintendo right? Which also means that some people also still love Mario. But how many new Mario games did they make for the last two systems? The answer is 2. One of the 64 - Super Mario 64, and one on the Gamecube - Super Mario Sunshine. I don't care who you are, that's pathetic! And now what are they now promising us? One new game again - Super Mario Galaxy. Big fricken whoop!
I just think that's Nintendo's biggest problem - they don't seem to learn from their mistakes too often. They keep making stupid, careless mistakes. First they decided to go with the cartridge on the 64 even though everybody else was going with cd-rom cause it had true-stereo sound and so much more potential. Then on the Gamecube they decided to steer away from DVD-ROM (even though that's the way theindustry was headed) and came up with their own little format which may have looked good on paper but didn't go over well with the general public. And now they're making another huge mistake with the Wii by not following where the other systems are going which is High Definition with 5.1 surround sound. Trust me, it may not be such a big deal now, but in the next few years it will be.
And here's another question for you? And you can think about this one.
How many ways are there to swing a wii-mote like a baseball bat?
Surely, swinging a controller is a lot more fun than merely pushing some buttons while sitting on the couch. But once you have a decent game that already accomplishes what you want it to, what would make you want to go out and buy another one that is based upon the exact same principle - you standing in your living room swinging away like an idiot)? Would it be due to updated graphics by chance? Think about it.
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Luke
What is the point in the Wii's SD card anyway?!
[QUOTE=Adamant][QUOTE=Luke]Miltary Madness I'm not familiar with, but I'm guessing Resistance or Gears Of War would do the trick and keep you busy for awhile.
[/QUOTE]Actraiser is again completely different from Tenchi and yet another Ninja Gaiden remake (yawn)[/QUOTE]Of course they're completely different, THEY'RE BRAND NEW! Actraiser is over 15 years old now!
[/QUOTE]Actraiser is again completely different from Tenchi and yet another Ninja Gaiden remake (yawn)[/QUOTE]Of course they're completely different, THEY'RE BRAND NEW! Actraiser is over 15 years old now!
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Superjay
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Feilong said
2. Yeah, Ninja Gaiden Sigma was awesome... when it was Ninja Gaiden Black on Xbox, which was also great... when it was the original Xbox Ninja Gaiden. Sorry if I'm not getting too terribly excited about that title. And unlike Resident Evil 4 Wii, Sigma isn't $30.... you are paying full price for a re-release that doesn't even have as many extra features as RE4 does. Ummmm..... I think that's p0wnage....
I'm sorry but Ninja Gaiden has totally redrawn graphics and an added character never seen before and whole new bosses as well as weapons and combos. Resident Evil 4 is an exact duplicate of the Resident Evil from the PS2. In essence the only new thing is the Wii controls which is nice but as far as content goes Sigma blows away and makes RE4 get p0wnage. Now there is a huge price difference which makes purchasing both games a necessity but as far as content goes theres only one game that totally owns and that's Ninja Gaiden Sigma.
2. Yeah, Ninja Gaiden Sigma was awesome... when it was Ninja Gaiden Black on Xbox, which was also great... when it was the original Xbox Ninja Gaiden. Sorry if I'm not getting too terribly excited about that title. And unlike Resident Evil 4 Wii, Sigma isn't $30.... you are paying full price for a re-release that doesn't even have as many extra features as RE4 does. Ummmm..... I think that's p0wnage....
I'm sorry but Ninja Gaiden has totally redrawn graphics and an added character never seen before and whole new bosses as well as weapons and combos. Resident Evil 4 is an exact duplicate of the Resident Evil from the PS2. In essence the only new thing is the Wii controls which is nice but as far as content goes Sigma blows away and makes RE4 get p0wnage. Now there is a huge price difference which makes purchasing both games a necessity but as far as content goes theres only one game that totally owns and that's Ninja Gaiden Sigma.
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Funkmaster V
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Luke, you kind of made yourself look like you don't know what you are talking about enough in the world of video games and that is cool. I get it. The Wii sucks to you, and praise the good Lord in the sky, you live in a country where you don't have to play or buy one.
All three systems are going to be great. Deal with it. The library kinda sucks for both new systems now and the 360's did too in its first year. By the end of it... it's gonna be a pretty close war.
I like the Wii the best. You like whatever it is you like. You can't prove us wrong (because of debating/ logic flaws). We can't prove you wrong (because you have an opinion).
Anyway! Back to playing the sh*tty a$$ Wii
Vinnie
PS: By the way, I hope one day I fail as miserably as the Gamecube or N64 did. Then I will be talking to you on a big boat with my mind-phone.
All three systems are going to be great. Deal with it. The library kinda sucks for both new systems now and the 360's did too in its first year. By the end of it... it's gonna be a pretty close war.
I like the Wii the best. You like whatever it is you like. You can't prove us wrong (because of debating/ logic flaws). We can't prove you wrong (because you have an opinion).
Anyway! Back to playing the sh*tty a$$ Wii
Vinnie
PS: By the way, I hope one day I fail as miserably as the Gamecube or N64 did. Then I will be talking to you on a big boat with my mind-phone.
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Funkmaster V
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[QUOTE=Superjay]Feilong said
2. Yeah, Ninja Gaiden Sigma was awesome... when it was Ninja Gaiden Black on Xbox, which was also great... when it was the original Xbox Ninja Gaiden. Sorry if I'm not getting too terribly excited about that title. And unlike Resident Evil 4 Wii, Sigma isn't $30.... you are paying full price for a re-release that doesn't even have as many extra features as RE4 does. Ummmm..... I think that's p0wnage....
I'm sorry but Ninja Gaiden has totally redrawn graphics and an added character never seen before and whole new bosses as well as weapons and combos. Resident Evil 4 is an exact duplicate of the Resident Evil from the PS2. In essence the only new thing is the Wii controls which is nice but as far as content goes Sigma blows away and makes RE4 get p0wnage. Now there is a huge price difference which makes purchasing both games a necessity but as far as content goes theres only one game that totally owns and that's Ninja Gaiden Sigma.
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There'a another articulate arguement fueled by nothing more than heresay and guessing.
People, when you play the games, please comment on them.
Funk
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Paul Campbell
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[QUOTE=Luke][QUOTE=Adamant][QUOTE=Luke]The last time I checked, sales didn't determine how great a system is.
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Well, they determine where third-party games go. And good third party games are an important part of a great system. So yeah, indirectly they do.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. A lot of third-party developers will go where either a.) they have a fairly user-friendly devopment kit to work with, and/or b.) they have the chance to use new technology in an attempt to try something new and push boundaries.
It's not always about the money. Most often it may be. But for people like.. say.. Team Ninja, it isn't. It's about making exciting new games.[/QUOTE]
What do you know!!! The Wii has a great devo kit, AND new technology!! It's good to see you on board with us Wii fans. I'm glad we were able to turn you.
Oh, and before I go, would you mind telling me how the 360 and PS3 have better sound than the Wii? You keep mentioning that, and you are completely wrong. Sound is my profession, so I would love to hear an explaination. All three machines have digitally recorded sound and a form of discrete multichannel surround modes. That's it. Nothing else. Are you gonna tell me that the ones and zeros the Wii produces for digital sound are inferior to those of the 360?
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Well, they determine where third-party games go. And good third party games are an important part of a great system. So yeah, indirectly they do.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. A lot of third-party developers will go where either a.) they have a fairly user-friendly devopment kit to work with, and/or b.) they have the chance to use new technology in an attempt to try something new and push boundaries.
It's not always about the money. Most often it may be. But for people like.. say.. Team Ninja, it isn't. It's about making exciting new games.[/QUOTE]
What do you know!!! The Wii has a great devo kit, AND new technology!! It's good to see you on board with us Wii fans. I'm glad we were able to turn you.
Oh, and before I go, would you mind telling me how the 360 and PS3 have better sound than the Wii? You keep mentioning that, and you are completely wrong. Sound is my profession, so I would love to hear an explaination. All three machines have digitally recorded sound and a form of discrete multichannel surround modes. That's it. Nothing else. Are you gonna tell me that the ones and zeros the Wii produces for digital sound are inferior to those of the 360?
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Paul Campbell
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[QUOTE=Luke][QUOTE=Paul Campbell][QUOTE=Luke]The last time I checked, sales didn't determine how great a system is. The Wii is cheaper and more family-friendly than the PS3 and Xbox 360. You have to remember that. And of course, the fact it has a completely new control scheme is something that indefinitely intriques people. Some hardcore gamers alike. But how long will the novelty last? How long until all the amazing third-party games start coming out in cloves on the PS3 and 360 and put the Wii's library of lame, kiddy games to utter shame? How long until the people see it for what it really is - a one-trick pony; an interactive Gamecube? [/QUOTE] Hey Luke, tell us that hilarious joke again where you say something about the Wii being pointless and then laugh because it was so clever and underhanded! Then lets talk about how the Wii just became the ultimate system for FPS after playing RE4 on the Wii, which controls like a keyboard and mouse, therefore leaving the other systems in the dust in the play control department. That leaves graphics as to why the system is weak, and if you think the graphics are somehow horrible, even though they are better than the generation we JUST FINISHED, or that graphics even matter that much compared to play control and fun factor, then you must be new to videogames. [/QUOTE]Dude, don't even try to tell me that the Wii has better graphics and sound than the Xbox!
And no, it's not just graphics. It's graphics, sound, gameplay, and overall strength of its gaming library. In which case, the Wii fails every single category. Sure, some of the games may be fun to play right now with the Wiimote and nunchuck. But it's all flash and no substance. The graphics and sound are clearly worse than last generation and the Wii controls are not even 100% responsive!
"Then lets talk about how the Wii just became the ultimate system for FPS after playing RE4 on the Wii, which controls like a keyboard and mouse, therefore leaving the other systems in the dust in the play control department." Um, ever hear of light guns? What you're talking about is nothing new, sir. Go play House Of The Dead or Time Crisis. And Resident Evil 4? Didn't that come out on the Gamecube OVER TWO YEARS AGO??
Then of course you have the new Legend Of Zelda which is virtually just as good if not better on the Gamecube. haha I mean, c'mon.. seriously, be honest with yourselves. What did you really spend $300+ dollars on?[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should read my post again and tell me where I said that the Wii had better graphics, cause I can't find it.
"Light Guns"??? How IS you 360 light gun working, anyway? What's that? Light guns don't work on Plasma's and LCD's anymore? Well then, how is your argument going to hold up?? And will you show me the FPS that is light gun compatible? How would you control your character unless the game is on rails? And yes, RE4 is old, but you missed my point (I'm detecting a trend of this with you), the point is that RE4 on the Wii has better control with the Wiimote than ANY FPS I have ever played on a console, and it's not even close! But I haven't used that 360 light gun that you have yet, so I will have to wait and see.
And no, it's not just graphics. It's graphics, sound, gameplay, and overall strength of its gaming library. In which case, the Wii fails every single category. Sure, some of the games may be fun to play right now with the Wiimote and nunchuck. But it's all flash and no substance. The graphics and sound are clearly worse than last generation and the Wii controls are not even 100% responsive!
"Then lets talk about how the Wii just became the ultimate system for FPS after playing RE4 on the Wii, which controls like a keyboard and mouse, therefore leaving the other systems in the dust in the play control department." Um, ever hear of light guns? What you're talking about is nothing new, sir. Go play House Of The Dead or Time Crisis. And Resident Evil 4? Didn't that come out on the Gamecube OVER TWO YEARS AGO??
Then of course you have the new Legend Of Zelda which is virtually just as good if not better on the Gamecube. haha I mean, c'mon.. seriously, be honest with yourselves. What did you really spend $300+ dollars on?[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should read my post again and tell me where I said that the Wii had better graphics, cause I can't find it.
"Light Guns"??? How IS you 360 light gun working, anyway? What's that? Light guns don't work on Plasma's and LCD's anymore? Well then, how is your argument going to hold up?? And will you show me the FPS that is light gun compatible? How would you control your character unless the game is on rails? And yes, RE4 is old, but you missed my point (I'm detecting a trend of this with you), the point is that RE4 on the Wii has better control with the Wiimote than ANY FPS I have ever played on a console, and it's not even close! But I haven't used that 360 light gun that you have yet, so I will have to wait and see.
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