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m0zart1
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Postby m0zart1 » July 28th, 2007, 10:14 pm

[QUOTE=Atarifever]But she's not "a beautiful woman".  She's not a woman at all.  She's math.  And it's funny that you refered to her as "the ideal womanly form".  It's often the 12 year old's ideal womanly form.  Many of us have more taste than "Big boobs please; oh yeah, and make her blond.  hahahaha".  Sorry if this messes with your worldview there Plato, but there isn't one "ideal womanly form".[/QUOTE]

And Collette from Les Miserables was just words.  So what -- Hugo envisioned her as a beautiful woman, and so she was one in that fictional world -- and every movie has portrayed her as exactly that.  Nobody tried to claim that Samus is real -- she IS fiction, but so are many artforms, yet they can still be envisioned as real.  That's what art does.

I don't mind one bit if you want to go start making games with female characters whose beauty marks are warts, thin hair, and inverted breasts.  But trying to reinvent Samus as one of those in this case makes no sense -- it isn't what she has been EVER.

You'd be hardpressed to find someone who is willing to look beyond big boobs and a thin bare midrift as I am -- heck, a girl I seriously dated for a while was born with no legs.  But that doesn't change anything about what I said -- the average guy knows what I mean when I say "ideal womanly form", and even if he cannot verbalize it, he knows it when he sees it.  That doesn't mean he's under the illusion that every woman is like that, anymore than a woman thinks every guy has to be like Leon Kennedy -- nor does every man think that that level of beauty has to be there to find a woman attractive.  Now I am sorry if this offends your worldview, Zeno, but artful representations don't always portray an absolute stoic reality.  Sometimes they represent ideals -- fantasies -- they aren't always existential "slice of life" portrayals.

[QUOTE=Atarifever]Whatever you write here about "beauty and brawn" and her not having to be naked, I'd guess you wouldn't bet your life on what the chances are she'll be wearing anything but skin tight spandex/leather, a short skirt, or a bikini.[/QUOTE]

I can't imagine anything wrong with that -- she wore a bikini in the best ending of the original game too.  So what -- she wore a bikini -- OH THE SHAME!  How unjust this world is that an attractive woman should wear a bikini and then find a fanbase.  God knows, we should reinvent Samus as the average homebody who has mostly inner-beauty as a selective tax on the world of entertainment to correct this horrible injustice!

[QUOTE=Atarifever]A male actor stands a good chance in the industry  even if he's ugly.  How many Rob Schnider, Kevin James, and Steve Bushimis are there in female versions?  Now how many of them play anything besides "that ugly girl"?  This silliness is just another part of that.  In fact, it's worse because now the woman doesn't even have to be able to exist for men to start fawning over her.[/QUOTE]

Oh I am sure whoever plays Samus will exist   And last I checked, Steve Bushemi didn't play that many romatic leads in place of Leonardo DiCaprio, so I really don't know how your analogy applies.  His roles are usually the ugly sinister guy, who is really witty in a sociopathic sort of way.  Nor did Ron Howard's younger brother get any parts I can remember outside of the ugly, crazy, manical, or nerdy guy who acts as the Shakespearean clown.

[QUOTE=Atarifever]Also, regarding her portrayal as an attractive woman to the limits of the technology, I don't think the NES did that.  People might think that was the idea, due to her being in a bikini, but come on.  She was obviously put in a two piece to show that, you know, she was a woman.  On 8 bit hardware what was the other option?  Putting her in a dress (yeah, she wears a dress under the suit, that'd make sense)?  Making the surprise be that she was Princess Peach?  It wasn't to make her attractive.  It was to make you realize Samus was a girl.[/QUOTE]

Metroid was one of the first games for the NES -- and so yes, for its time it really pushed the limits of what we generally saw on consoles.  Comparing Samus to Princess Peach, Samus' portrayal at the end of Metroid wins the virtual beauty contest, given that all things are pixelated.

By the way, I don't know if you actually saw these or not -- but Samus was not put in a dress in any of the available endings for the original game, nor for any game I can remember until very recently.  The original game for instance offered you either her suit (if you spent too much time on the game, effectively not telling you she was really a girl), a purple leotard (for less than a few hours), and a bikini (for the best ending).  Heck -- I hope this doesn't rock your world, but I am almost certain that you can see her nipples in both the leotard and the bikini endings.  *GASP*  For that matter, even the zero suit endings now show her in a very revealing blue leotard.  And her form is hardly "average" in those endings

Since repetition is the best form of emphasis, let me reiterate that I am fully informed that Samus Aran is not a real person (just like Mother Brain, Space Pirates, and Metroids are not real).  But it is very clear that her portrayal has BEEN of a very beautiful woman -- not a generally unattractive one or even one of average looks.  I am not implying in the least that I regularly become aroused when I reach a good Metroid ending, but I am still left with the undeniable impression in each of those endings that Samus is consistently portrayed as being in the top 1% of the gene pool, and not just the C-average of the bell curve.

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Postby m0zart1 » July 28th, 2007, 10:30 pm

[QUOTE=Atarifever]I didn't say it was bad because of her, I said it was bad because, as often happens when movie producers put hot women in skimpy clothes, the people in charge decided that that was enough work and then put the movie on auto pilot.  If Samus is played by, say, Paris Hilton (which isn't beyond the realm of reason, look at Barb Wire, and Darkhorse made good comics) then the movie certainly will suck.  Then, I hated the Tomb Raider movies (because they were like Indiana Jones movies, just with a wooden main character who never seemed flustered by anything and who didn't ever get her clothes dirty, all the while never seeming to ever be in any kind of danger; so basically, like a boring Indiana Jones movie).[/QUOTE]

I think we can all agree that if Samus is played by Paris Hilton, that it would be a grave injustice, and I'd likely boycott the movie entirely.  I don't see Paris Hilton as some great beauty, even if her limp eye was surgically held in place for the close-ups, and I don't think she could manage to portray Samus in a way that would do her dignity.

So given the choice between Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Nicole Richey, or Jeannine Gerafalo, and there was no third option of just not making the film altogether, I'd pick Jeannine.  That doesn't mean I don't think there are significantly beautiful female stars who should play Samus not just because of their beauty but because of their depth as actresses.  Again, I don't believe the casting situation is (or should be made into) a conundrum of mutual exclusivity between Samus' beauty and Samus' skill.

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Postby Atarifever1 » July 28th, 2007, 10:59 pm

[QUOTE=m0zart] Now I am sorry if this offends your worldview, Zeno, but artful representations don't always portray an absolute stoic reality.  Sometimes they represent ideals -- fantasies -- they aren't always existential "slice of life" portrayals.

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LOL.  No use arguing with a guy with a sense of humour. 

Okay, let's just say I hope if it ever happens Samus is cast based on more than her looks, but I have strong doubts if she will. 

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Postby m0zart1 » July 28th, 2007, 11:03 pm

[QUOTE=Atarifever]LOL.  No use arguing with a guy with a sense of humour.

Okay, let's just say I hope if it ever happens Samus is cast based on more than her looks, but I have strong doubts if she will.[/QUOTE]

I think we agree more than we disagree here.  If I had to choose between absolute beauty and the more cerebral qualities, I'd pick the latter.  I just really hope for both.

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Postby BigOldCar » July 28th, 2007, 11:05 pm

I'm still shaking my head trying to figure out how they got the Resident Evil movies so very, very wrong.


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Postby feilong801 » July 28th, 2007, 11:12 pm

For the record, let me say that if a Metroid movie with Jeannine Gerafalo is made, I think it would actually cause a space time continuum rift, sucking in everything in its path. Please, please Jeannine, do NOT accept any offers to play Samus Aran! Our very existence depends on it!

-Rob 

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Postby feilong801 » July 28th, 2007, 11:21 pm

Having settled the Jeannine Gerafalo question, let's move on to who would actually make a good Samus.

Gwyneth Paltrow comes to mind. She has the general beauty (perhaps not in bodily proportions, but at least she's above average) and the acting prowess to pull it off.

Charlize Theron would be an OK choice too. She isn't my favorite, but I can see her doing fine with the role.

Here's another thought that seemed a little odd to me at first, but then made more sense when I thought it over: Scarlett Johannsen. Maybe a little short and not athletic, but she does have a sort of "youthful innocence" that might balance the hard edged elements of her character.

Finally, in the spirit of the previous debate in this thread, I nominate:

Rosie O'Donnell. But that might open another space time rift, so we'll have to wait for NASA (if they aren't drunk!) to research the possibility.

-Rob



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Postby Atarifever1 » July 28th, 2007, 11:24 pm

[QUOTE=BigOldCar]

I'm still shaking my head trying to figure out how they got the Resident Evil movies so very, very wrong.

[/QUOTE]

Pretty girl + quick buck = bad movie.


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Postby m0zart1 » July 29th, 2007, 12:07 am

[QUOTE=Atarifever]Pretty girl + quick buck = bad movie.[/QUOTE]

I never felt like they failed because of the beautiful girl   The movie just completely derailed from the game.  Other than the presence of Zombies, the Umbrella Corporation, and a few shared names -- it really wasn't a movie version of Resident Evil.

In the same, albeit lesser, sense -- the Silent Hill movie departed from the game enough for it to have failed in my eyes.  But part of this may just be the nature of video games.  I think video games have the capacity to tell a much more complicated story than most movies can outside of those that go with the integrated trilogy formula.  Silent Hill's story seems simple on the outside, but it is extremely complicated on the inside.  So many subtle details are discovered during the gameplay, showing how several complicated subplots are tying together, in ways that just wouldn't work well enough in a movie.  I think that's evidenced by the fact that even with the scaled down storyline of the movie, they still had to blind everyone in the middle of the film with an ongoing white light and an explanation from the demon child longer than any soliloquy I've ever seen in a film.

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Postby Alienblue » July 29th, 2007, 3:48 am

Okay OKAY Enough with the SAMUS ARAN debate! I got up this morning hoping for 1) some cool Zelda/SMB ideas and 2) other games that would make good movies if handled properly. Instead we get a "WHAT IS A SEXY BABE" debate?

I personally do NOT like the so-called present ideal, big T&A but a skinny body. They look like big barbie dolls that are gonna fall over! My tastes run to fuller plainer women. Mary Anne beats Ginger, Velma beats Daphne, the short girl with freckles and glasses is cuter than the fashion model to me. So yes, I would want Samus to be beatiful, just not look like a human Barbie!

At any rate, lets talk something else for awhile? I think I'd make the perfect lead for the new Six Million dollar man (better make that 6 billion with inflation); I'm too tall 2B link!


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