The Criticize Nintendo Thread

[LoganRuckman1]

TBH, I don't see why everyone brings up price. It's cheaper than the PS4 and the Xbox One. Hell, if you really want to criticize the price, it's cheaper than both the PS3 and Xbox 360 were at launch, and only $50 more than the Wii. Plus, if you bring inflation into account, I think the price becomes even more reasonable.

I think really it's their marketing that hurt them.

[ptdebate1]

[QUOTE=LoganRuckman]TBH, I don't see why everyone brings up price. It's cheaper than the PS4 and the Xbox One. Hell, if you really want to criticize the price, it's cheaper than both the PS3 and Xbox 360 were at launch, and only $50 more than the Wii. Plus, if you bring inflation into account, I think the price becomes even more reasonable.

I think really it's their marketing that hurt them.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. With the Gamepad and everything, the Wii U is actually a pretty good price.

I do still believe that they would have been better off without the Gamepad though (and thus shaving $50-$100 off the price).

[scotland171]

[QUOTE=LoganRuckman]TBH, I don't see why everyone brings up price. It's cheaper than the PS4 and the Xbox One. Hell, if you really want to criticize the price, it's cheaper than both the PS3 and Xbox 360 were at launch, and only $50 more than the Wii. Plus, if you bring inflation into account, I think the price becomes even more reasonable.[/QUOTE]

I'll criticize Nintendo again - the WiiU is too darn expensive relative to what similar entertainment packages I could get. Popping on Amazon this morning the WiiU Mario Kart deluxe set is $435 dollars, and it comes with one gamepad and one wii-mote.  That gives you a 1 on 1 racing game.  For $100, I can get an Ouya, or an Amazon Fire TV, or a kids tablet.  Its all relative. 

How about that inflation argument? There is something else we just need to come to a consensus about, cause its been coming up on Dave's forums at least since 2006 discussing the sticker shock over the PS3 launch price.  Atarifever has been here year after year with the counter argument why inflation is not a good argument:

Here is a sample post by our one and only Professor Atarifever about it in 2011:
http://dmrozek.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1266711396&postcount=75

For my own 2 cents (or 48 cents adjusted for inflation), inflation is not a simple multiplier.  Its more complicated than that, and there is also 'price stickiness' and rapid price adjustments. For instance, the first comics in 1933 were 10 cents, but then *stayed* 10 cents for 30 years, although what you got for your 10 cents dwindled.  For the next 25 years or so, they had a regular adjustment in their prices, then came a rapid increase in prices as the industry shifted. 

So is the WiiU too expensive? The economy was better when the Wii launched with a real family pleasing pack-in, and since then mobile gaming and tablets and microconsoles and streaming devices have grown as competition and as hot items cool families have. Am I going to have buyers remorse? Can I budget about $40 for each new game I want? There are all sort of price boundaries, from whats expected, to impulse buy low prices (think mobile games), to maybe its worth it (AAA Nintendo games), to face palm high prices that make you say 'who would ever pay that much for that?'.   Its not inflation, its psychology.

[BanjoPickles1]

Actually, there may be another reason that the Wii U hasn't taken off: the weight of the controller. Nintendo hasn't done a very good job of convincing people that the controller isn't heavy and cumbersome. Honestly, I love it, and I was shocked at how lightweight it was when I bought mine!

[ptdebate1]

[QUOTE=BanjoPickles]Actually, there may be another reason that the Wii U hasn't taken off: the weight of the controller. Nintendo hasn't done a very good job of convincing people that the controller isn't heavy and cumbersome. Honestly, I love it, and I was shocked at how lightweight it was when I bought mine! [/QUOTE]

The real problem is more with the controller's size. It's very, very comfortable for adults--and that fact I greatly appreciate--but for kids and people with small hands it's a real chore to use. My nieces tried using it with Mario Kart 8 a few times and they literally couldn't reach the shoulder buttons. 

[Leo1]

Look at what anyone that has bought Yoshi's Island DS with the launch of a DS section on the Wii U Virtual Console can expect to see when they fire up the game.

While this game in particular was never going to be the best of candidates for playing on a tv, I don't even need to explain what's wrong with this image since it says it all.

 
This heavily bordered option is apparently the only screen option that allows both screens to be correctly displayed on your HDTV (Obviously an important screen option in a game such as this or Contra IV, both of which spread the playfield out across both screens; You wouldn't want the bottom screen streamed to the gamepad in such a game.). 

The only other options that allow both images to be displayed together on the tv are a 90 degree rotation option, a stylus only option that removes the wasteful border while zooming in to fill the vertical space (Why lock physical controls out, Nintendo? This is exactly the screen option that Yoshi's Island DS needs), and two options that place the screens side by side with the upper or lower screen displayed in a small window. 

And the 3D polygonal games are even worse off, since they're rendered at their native resolution and are only upscaled (Not an issue with a 2D game like Yoshi's Island DS). So Mario Kart DS will look like it does on the left, instead of rendered in HD like on the right.



Pretty rough looking when blown up on a tv. If the Wii U doesn't have enough horsepower to pull off something more like the right hand side, I wish they had waited a generation before trying. 

[Atariboy]

Optional installations for Xenoblade Chronicles X.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/0 ... ding_times

[scotland]

At gamestop today I noted that prime real estate had been given to downloadable 3DS eshop games in a box, at $5 a pop. I sometimes miss a former member who I can imagine defending this business practice as doing downloadable 20 year old games right.

[GamingTheSystems]

Nintendo has been behind the ball in terms of graphical power for the past two generations. This hurts their ability to get third party support. Back in the SNES days, many Nintendo fans boasted about the SNES graphics, but now they have to say things like "it's more about fun than graphics." That's quite a shift. Also, I think the WiiU should have been called something else and did not have the gamepad screen. "Wii2" would have been a better name, that way the casual audience knows it's an upgrade and not an add-on. I am hoping their next system is more powerful than the current generation's; and it's time to retire the Wii name. I love Nintendo and hope they recover and have bought some of their stock to show my support.

[Sut]

I sometimes miss a former member who I can imagine defending this business practice as doing downloadable 20 year old games right.

Yeah he was a cantankerous crank but I did enjoy a lot of his posts. I would be interested to hear his opinion on a range of Nintendo related topics. The new, no newer, like really new 3DS, Wii U's still shocking sales figures (don't think it's even outsold the Dreamcast yet and that console is deemed as 'failed') and of course the Nintendo foray into the world of mobile gaming which he used to love so much.

Perhaps fresh forums fresh start ?